"Some people have done just that, though. Can you explain how a Level 5 Guardian can use a starter gun to take down a Raid veteran? Derek: Your skill will take you 80% of the way to victory, but that last 20% will be a much harder climb without the gear you’ve been relying on." From Bungie themselves. I think you should take your own advice and get your facts straight before trying to correct others. And regardless, there was video proof of a level 4 with the Khostov doing the same damage against a 28 and a 10.