They are not challenging, or fun, or interesting. They are busy work units that halt the pace of gameplay. But I'm not making an appeal for myself or speaking for the playerbase, it's actually for Bungie's sake. Champions introduced more problems than they were created to solve, and typically when the solution creates more issues than the initial problem that's where you gotta go back to formula. It's extremely hard to swallow that pill for creators when something you committed proves itself expendable, but I think we're there. So Champions required certain mods to stun so you can burst dmg them and move on. But the mods were curated season by season as part of a belief that we shouldn't rest on certain archetypes 'forever' in Destiny. That premise alone is worth another thread, but that's just the start of the conga line of issues. As an initial problem, however, Bungie saddled itself with seasonal concerns of how their Champion mod weapon choices would affect higher difficulty meta. This did not need to happen, as it adds to the already tricky balancing act of a game filled with a dozen of archetypes and literally hundreds of weapons between them. So time passes and Bungie gives the first of a few nerfs to Champion abilities, such as their regeneration or teleporting. I was curious as to whether Bungie (and players) understood that such things needing to be addressed for enemies that are conceptually simple to deal with (shape/hole matching), was an indictment on their existence. But no. Then these Champion kryptonite properties were given to exotics, which allowed freedom outside of seasonal curating, but now Bungie needed to decide which for what, with the potential to disappoint players if their face exotic never get updated with one. Again, this didn't need to happen. The latest 'solution' to Champions were certain subclass verbs being able to stun Champions. Which for what is arbitrary though some thought went into spreading the love to a balanced fireteam could cover both Champions per mission without any Champ mods used. This added new UI noise to our character screen in a game filled with visual information. Bungie did not need to deal with this. All this without mentioning extra work crafting their encounters for various content, mission by mission, when Witchqueen Legendary shows it doesn't have to be this way. They can simply be... gone. [b]Edit[/b]: An analogy I posted in the replies that addresses people who don't see the difference between mechanical challenge and artificial difficulty: [Quote]If Bungie started adding artifact mods that made certain player classes take double dmg in PvP - everybody would suddenly understand the regressive mechanics of Champs and Champ mods.[/quote]