[url=https://www.bungie.net/7_Destiny-Account-Restrictions-and-Banning-Policies/en/Help/Article/11929][b]ACCOUNT BAN/RESTRICTION POLICY[/b][/url]
No you did not get restricted because someone reported you for blink shotgun/invis shotgun ... No you did not get restricted because it was 'someone else's internet' causing you to lag * (this means there is a note here) ... No you did not get restricted because Bungie has a vendetta against *good* players ...
Here is the deal, you were restricted for one of a couple reasons:
1) You lag switched or manipulated network traffic. Usually this will result in an all out ban but it seems of late they are being a bit forgiving and giving those that do this a second chance to prove they still 'deserve' to play the game (note: Blizzard took the opposite approach and straight out multi-banned these fools).
2) In reference to #1, you PLAYED with someone who was lag switching which means THEY HAVE TO BE IN YOUR FIRETEAM. This is guilt by association because you benefit from their network manipulation so yes you will be restricted too, deal with it.
3) You lagged because of either a poor connection or poorly configured connection. Plain and simple and not just in one match and not just one report. You can cry, moan and whine up and down about having 'perfect' internet connection but NO one has a perfect internet connection. And this is why Bungie REVIEWS the reporting not just restricting people outright for poor connection reports. There are server logs and traceroutes and ping responses and a whole slew of other technical mumbo jumbo that they can review upon your connection to the switching servers that show your consistent lagging. "But I didn't see any lag!" Of course not, you don't see the lag, it is the other players that see it. It is amazingly frustrating and painful to play against those with poor connections.
4) This is the *** that I mentioned before. As with #2, you played with someone in your Fireteam that had poor connection. Again, guilt by association, you benefited from it, you get restricted for it.
5) The least likely, but still possible, you are playing on a modified console or something with custom firmware. This is a no-no and in Y1 Destiny gave you a permanent vacation. But like I said, they seem to be a more forgiving Bungie now and give you a chance to 'fix' your problems.
Now understand, Bungie won't discuss these restrictions or bans. You will not get it overturned no matter how much you complain. You need to bide your time in silence and fix whatever might be your problem. The problem [b]IS NOT[/b] (or more to the point .. cannot) be Bungie's servers because plain and simple this is NOT a hosted game. It is a Peer-To-Peer hosted game which means the servers themselves simply are switching servers. The only time there is a problem with the servers, it is a mass outage, not just a hand picked few of you that feel a persecution complex.
I'll post a few of my previous postings that I have made as well to possibly help those that want help, otherwise ... yes you are restricted, no it will not be lifted, and no there is no one you can 'talk' to about this. Those are the rules, you agreed to the rules when you agreed to the EULA. Don't like it, don't play the game plain and simple.
Don't feel that it is fair that Bungie restricts people with poor internet because of the fact that <insert multiple excuses here>, too bad ... it is their game, they stated you need a [i]premium[/i] internet connection to play it (note: NOT just broadband ... [b]premium[/b]). They have stated in at least [b]FOUR[b] (4) weekly updates that they would be liberal with the restriction hammer for those that lag. Again, you agreed to the EULA and continued to play therefore it is their right to restrict you.
No you cannot sue. You could file a complaint with the BBB (don't think they are registered but you could try) but they are not blocking you from playing the game, they are preventing you from making the game experience poor for other people. And again, YOU AGREED TO THE EULA which you are in violation of (along with their addendums they state in their weekly updates. Don't read the weekly updates? Not knowing the rules does not make you immune to them.
While it may seem like I am being a complete jerk posting this, nothing could be farther from the truth. I have helped numerous people configure their connections and even at times told them point blank, "STAY OUT OF THE CRUCIBLE". I do not want you restricted either unless you are going to continue to ruin the experience for other players. And regardless of what you think, it does ruing the experience (even in the PvE arena, which is ALSO P2P). Sorry to be like this but someone has to say what a majority of the player base is thinking. And no, it is not a majority of the player base being restricted or getting error codes galore. There are estimates that somewhere between 3-10 million people play Destiny daily. Most of us have no problems, or at best absolutely intermittent ones.
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18 RisposteSorry Chief, some of your arguments just don't don't hold water. Mainly that Bungie has no part to play in the phantom lag that many people experience. I say phantom lag because it is only experienced on Bungie servers by many of the fan base. I have a DOC SIS 3.0 connection with average speeds of 105 up and 35 down with an average ping of 6ms and my NAT type is open. Per Ookla professional speed testing which I have set to run daily, I have maintained this average for over 9 months and I am lucky to be in the top 10% average speeds in the country. Yet I get lag when I play Destiny. Not on Halo 5, Star Wars Battlefront, DC Universe Online, Starcraft 2, Sins of a Solar Empire etc. ONLY when I play Destiny do I experience lag. So don't sit there and patronize the community with your Bungie Fanboi loving. The lag experienced by so many is a direct result of Bungie being cheap and not having their own hosted servers for this otherwise great game. If you actually knew anything about network hosting and active data exchanges, you wouldn't be touting the Fanboi line. Get educated prior to chastising the community at large.
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1 RispondiModificato da CountyCheese770: 6/9/2016 9:05:47 PMI think ANYONE with a bad connection whether it be ISP, lag switch, a friend, different continent, whatever, Poor signal strength should NOT be allowed to play PVP. End of story. Have a warning label on the game package that states requirements for playing PVP. Don't meet the requirements, enjoy the campaign then! Your lack of quality internet shouldn't be my problem, I pay for quality internet and shouldn't be burdened by your poor latency.
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Got a one week ban a month or two ago. Went out and bout a wired connection for $10. Have been green baring ever since. The wireless connection I the consoles aren't very good. If your having any issues I would suggest going to Best Buy and picking one up. May help with people who keep getting banned for lag (not lag switching)
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1 RispondiExcept I think it's not people's connection it's their connection to other players and with bungies bad coding has created a situation where two people with fine internet have bad connection to each other. So I say bungies coding is to blame over anything else.
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While I agree with a lot of what you're saying given the current situation; I have to say most of this could have been avoided if Bungie had gone with a better system for hosting than peer to peer. There are plenty of people like myself who have been through the wringer troubleshooting their network and double checking everything and still see the same issues. I even had someone who knows A LOT more about networking than I do, confirm that I've taken all the steps I can when it comes to network settings. I'm down to getting my own modem/router instead of the proprietary crap that Comcast is renting to me. That's really my Hail Mary before I throw my hands in the air and consider quitting the game completely. Not to mention the fact that depending on what ISP you have you may not be able to achieve open nat etc. A LOT of this issue is because of the crappy landscape that is the ISP industry. I'd have changed providers by now if not for the fact that Comcast has a drug deal with their main competitor in the area to stay out of each other's territory. Bungie could have considered that before going with this system. Honestly I think it comes down to them choosing to make a product that wouldn't work on an optimum level for a very large group of customers simply because the majority wouldn't have issues, and they'd still make tons of money. When we're talking about millions of players, even a small group can be a substantial number of people. It's crappy neoliberal capitalist thinking, but hey that's the world we live in. It's all about high profit margins at any cost and almost none of it is about integrity or any kind of honor these days. I can't really condemn them for doing what just about everyone else is doing, but I can't help but see it for what it is. My last point is this; if they don't want players with network issues (whether it's their own fault or not) bogging down crucible then they need to STOP making all roads lead to it! It's so irritating. Any exotic quest worth doing leads to crucible. Faction quests lead to crucible. The sword exotic questline that's tied to TTK's campaign? Crucible. Crucible, crucible crucible. It's hardly the game of player choices, and not being punished for not wanting to do a particular activity when they lean on crucible because they're not able to make enough content.
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10 RisposteFunny I lag 6v6 but not 3v3 and I never lag in Bo3.
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33 RisposteModificato da Akron: 6/8/2016 6:02:04 PMYou can't punish the players for "lag" when over 95% of the lag is caused by your own decisions to implement skill based matchmaking, and refusing to prioritize connection over skill. It is Bungie's fault. Do you really think there are all these people lag switching to win pub matches in a 2 year old irrelevant game? Do you think people are modding their consoles to win? -blam!- no. It is all caused by Bungie's ridiculous matchmaking system. I have been playing online multiplayer games for 10+ years. I have never seen a game with as many issues as Destiny. To watch a -blam!-ing fanboy like OP defend Bungie as if they are going to hire him if he convinces people the shitty matchmaking is not the issue, is disgusting. I can play 64 man BF4 and be fine. GTA Online, fine. COD online, fine. I can be in party chat with 6 friends, get a weasel code (on a wired connection) during a raid and have to restart Destiny while party chat is completely fine the entire time, and that is a problem on my end? Have you ever played a video game with 50+ -blam!-ing error codes? Seriously? Bungies' network was ass t begin with when it shipped. Complaints of lag have been around since first Iron Banner (so almost 2 years.) And you fanboys want to continue to blame your peers that play other games completely fine, and let Bungie off the hook. GTFO. [spoiler]And I don't even play this game anymore. Fed up with lag, nerfs, primary weapons useless and pointless rng grind. Don't see myself purchasing Destiny 2 without dedicated servers. This game will never improve, because fanboys refuse to acknowledge that improvements can be made.[/spoiler]
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I tried reading but...
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I remember that one time I was restricted for a month just for being afk for less than half of a strike. Yet I've seen people lag in crucible with no punishment, good times.
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1 RispondiWell I'm just always salty
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33 RisposteMate, the EULA terror doesn't work everywhere: 1) Assume I get suspended from the game; 2) EULA is declared an invalid contract by a court for not complying to the local organic laws; 3) Our laws grant everyone the right to defense themselves and challenge any accusations, which pretty much will render any contract invalid if it establishes otherwise; Now, we go for payback: 1) A valid contract requires it to be signed and both parts need to be identified. How can you prove I signed the EULA? 2) If you can go past 1), then you have personal data about me. What are you doing with this data? Are you complying with EU data privacy rules? (that's your carrier sunk) 3) File charges for damages for illegal contract; 4) File injunction to halt the sale of the product for illegal contract; 5) Take this to the Human Rights court as one (the signee) is being removed of an universally accept right, the right to self-defense; 6) Is someone doing legally binding contract with minors, or attempting? A 16 or 17 year old is a minor, only their legal tutors/guardians can do that.... And the list could go on... and on... and on... Are you really into EULA terror? And by the way, about the criminal association.... So, you sell cars and someone wants to purchase a Lexus from you. You sell him the car.... Are you guilty by association because the car was paid with money from blood diamonds or drugs? Right... Typical American stuff... Send us all to GTMO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp)
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20 RisposteIf I get banned on Destiny for bad connection I'll just switch games. Funny how my ping is perfect on other games. Shocker.
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2 RisposteI found that hard wired wasn't any different but I have an expensive router do you think that's the difference or did I not give the hard line enough time?
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17 RisposteI am currently restricted and according to a message I got I can play trials again on the weekend of the 21st. I was guilty of playing with two guys that were lagging on my screen I everything looked fine but to our opponents they were teleporting, and taking no damage. I found this out when they read their hate mail at the end of our card. When the ninjas got me I was soooooo pissed, but looking back it is nice to know that legitimate reports don't get ignored and bungie is TRYING to make the Destiny universe a better place. OP is correct you don't just get banned for nothing or BS reasons you have to be doing some the wrong either intentionally, or in my case negligence.
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1 RispondiIdk why but my Internet has a tendency to jump from being perfectly fine one second, to having everyone teleport. Any suggestions? I'm using Xfinity by the way. I hopped into a trials match with my friends at a full green bar and when we actually started I was at red and had to quit or else be a nuisance for my team.
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Modificato da sargetc: 6/10/2016 2:23:01 AMif someone is playing in Timbuktu or Antartica, yes I report them because their dial up connection is ruining my game experience. I don't want them banned... I want them to only be able to play with other Red Bar demi-Gods until they can raise sufficient money to money from their remote location to a more urban area with modern technology. It's not personal, you just don't have the right to ruin the game for the rest of us by your lag teleporting and immunity to damage And no, Bungie.. your damage referee isn't helping.. if anything it malfunctions more often than not
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I'm sure some of what you just said does not come from bungie. saying your opinion is one thing, stating facts with actual proof is another, but you actually were highly offensive in this post which means one thing. you are just not a nice person.
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The amount of time it took you to type this out on behalf of bungie cringes me
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I am friends with a lot of high tier players who I often play with, so i find it hilarious when random kids I've never heard of go spouting that they got banned because they are 'too good'. If this were the case, RealKraftyy, BSK, Primal, iAM, Tier 1, and REZO would have been banned ages ago.
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True story
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Rude aren't we
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9 RisposteWhat confuses me is I'm hard wired with google fiber everything configured how it needs to but it'll say I'm red bar sometimes when I really shouldn't be...makes me question if the bars are accurate
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2 RisposteI agree with most things except that 2nd one....if some player in my fireteam decides to lagswitch, i have no control over it(i HATE cheaters so if i'd notice i would kick that person of my friendlist immeadiatly) so it wouldn't be fair to ban teammates that arent lagswitching, only the person that actually does it
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Modificato da MrSHORTSTACK: 6/9/2016 2:55:05 PMIf you're close enough to the router go LAN. If your wireless is bad in a certain area buy the power line adapters. The PS4, or mine has a very, VERY, shitty wifi card. My PS3, and 360 were once in the same place never had issues. First and only day of wifi on my ps4 dropped the connection multiple times in one day. Went LAN never turned back.
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6 RisposteThat's all well and good, but when I see players in IB using IPhone 3GS IP addresses to connect, and go 30 and 4 because you literally cannot hit them, and I see them in many games even after my friends and I reported the player, it doesn't matter anymore.
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Makes a lot of claims, attempts to appear knowledgeable.. Can't even post in the right section.