Just curious. What are your thoughts on people using AI to create art?
My thoughts are as follows:
As long as people aren’t ripping off other people’s work and they don’t charge people to be able to see what they create, I have no issue with it.
Also, it allows people who don’t have any artistic talent to bring the art they imagine to life.
Take me for instance, I have ZERO artistic skills whatsoever. I can’t draw to save my life, but if I was to use AI, I could make pictures that I’ve always wanted to but couldn’t.
Those are my thoughts, what are yours?
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30 commentairesFair warning: likely a controversial take here. When the sewing machine was first invented, tailors in France started a riot, broke into a textile factory, and smashed all the machines. Why? Because they were afraid automation would destroy them. People were having the exact same conversation when cameras were first introduced. I'd put good money on musicians being up in arms when audio recording took off as well ("[i]I record once, they buy it once, and they can listen to it infinitely forever? This'll ruin me![/i]"). In some cases, it probably did cause people to lose jobs. Even so, I'd wager most today would say those developments were a net positive to society. AI art is similar. Sure we often lement about stolen art but let's be honest, people already learn from copying other people. Everyone used to copy Disney in the kid 20th century. In the late 90's early 00's, anime aesthetics were all the rage. The CalArts style has been everywhere the last decade or so. And most of what's training AI aren't samples from hacked portfolios. They're publicly available on the internet, same stuff you'd train yourself with. And here's the thing, creation is a long, laborous and often [b]expensive[/b] investment. Much like how the printing press, cameras, or the phonograph made art available to the common man, AI puts creation within the grasp of a people who'd otherwise be unable to do it. Say you want to make a comic book. You have a great idea but suck at drawing. Your choices used to be: A) hope you find someone who can draw B) spend time learning to draw C) pay someone to draw A you had to get lucky. B and C are gambles and pretty costly to the point that many might not feel the risk worth taking. And even if you have a good idea AND can draw, there's still life to contend with. Some simply can't afford the investment, financially or spiritually. AI can aleviate a lot of that though. Things can be done cheaply and more quickly. Instead of a team of 15 people working on one person's vision at a time, each can work on their own vision at the same time. And yeah, there's something to be said of oversaturation, but that's not on AI. Take YouTube for example. TONS of options, probably too many. And yeah, there are always metas and things can start to get samey (people copying people again). But would we be better off without it? And seriously think about it, because without it all content would be controlled by Disney+, Netflix, HBO, etc. It's scary for artists because they worry AI will replace them but the truth is what's actually going to replace them is more PEOPLE becoming artists thanks to AI. tl;dr AI art is a tool, and like any tool, it can be used for goor or evil. Either way, it's here and in the next hundred years people are likely going to look back at the panic of today and think we were silly for worrying about it.
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I think everyone should go watch Terminator 2. Skynet will become self aware. Then as they say in Ebonics “we be -blam!-”
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Honestly 50% mixed, the other 50% neutral at the end of the day it depends on the person who uses it.
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Personally, my biggest problems with AI art are when people lie and pass it off as their own work, or charge for it. I don't like AI art, but if you're going to use it for your own personal, non profit thing, I think that's fine. Not ideal, but fine. As a VTuber, artists are an important part of my circle and AI does threaten that niche. We've had people design models and assets with AI, charging for them, and profiting off of it. It has also led to witch hunts from the anti AI crowd, which have targeted innocent, genuine artists that were mistaken. As a programmer...generative AI is fascinating to me. And stuff like chatGPT can, with the proper use, assist with mundane, simple code. Over all, I'm on the Anti AI side, but I won't make enemies of those who use it. I'd rather just not associate. Also if art was clearly marked as AI generated, I think that would be better. Also yes I do believe this has caused a price increase in my sphere, as an aside.
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2 commentairesAI is good.
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I draw cat
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I agree with you! I think it’s great for people that can’t draw a stick figure to save their life lol.
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Right now, they're an interesting toy that isn't good enough to make substantial art. I believe it is possible to make art with AI, as long as the image represents concepts of your own making. The problem is that you can't seriously do that. No AI has enough context or ability to properly fulfill detailed requests. Some things they just can not do. Even with what they can do, they struggle with details and never get all of them right. It's a fundamental problem, too. Nobody is going to label every minute difference between sci-fi helmets and then have each detail in large enough numbers that the ai can learn what each one means.
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What programs do they use?
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Modifié par Altmith : 2/6/2024 5:05:41 AMFirst and foremost I’m against it. For the same reason I’m against AI text generation. My reasons have less to do with stealing work, even though that is a problem and the foundation on which these systems are made and I fundamentally disagree with that too. But my real problem is what they make or write isn’t good. Adam Savage has a pretty good video on the subject where he was asked if he’s concerned about this AI generators and his response kind of boils down to no. Because it functions by stealing what already exists. And right now it’s new, so a lot of it seems novel and the scope of content generated seems overwhelming. But because it isn’t making it’s own original content and because there is a finite amount of work for it to steal from it will never replace actual art/writing and it will always rely on people to make more for it to steal. A lot of it’s already getting boring as the novelty wears off. And soon I suspect it will mostly be used for advertisement and corporate generation. Which is fitting. Because there’s not a lot of soul there anyway. A new toy bound to go the way of the 3D tv.
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2 commentairesI’m not threatened. AI could never come up with the stuff I make
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1 commentaireYou can't spell artificial intelligence without art.
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Eh,it’s lame and let’s be honest it probably isn’t taking anyone job because the art looks bland and lifeless like you don’t see the passion(I know it’s a A I but still) but I hate seeing people being toxic with it
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Eh so long as people don’t it for anything serious I’m cool with people using them. I really hate people who use it to make money though, especially if they claim it’s their own work. like bruh, is the robot who made that getting a cut of the patreon check?
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13 commentairesThey threaten the careers of actual artists—real people who are already struggling to make a living in an already difficult field. Not only that, but all AI art generators were built off of stolen work, and using them at all is theft. If you want art of something, either put in the time & effort to learn how to do it yourself, or fork out the money to actually support the medium instead pf feeding a corporate machine trying to suck the life out of the art industry for a quick buck.
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It makes all the Twitter artist angy so I’d say I’m in love with it
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I can't say I've ever seen an AI generated art. If I did, I'm not aware that it was. That said, I'm not really keyed into what many call 'art'. I realize that there are masterpieces out there, and can appreciate the ability that some have to put paint on a canvas to make time stand still. But for the most part I've seen far too many (paintings, sculptures of a variety of media) that people fawn over, but I just don't see them at truly art, but mere scribbling, doodles, or just "WTH is that supposed to be?" I personally see art in sculpture and photographs more than I do in paint. The place I appreciate it most is in antique, racing, and even modern cars, but that's what my eyes are drawn to. I even consider tie dye to be art for that matter. I started my career as a draftsman. I've never been much good at free hand drawing, and see little 'art' value in what I have drawn or drafted before, though in building and interior design there is a form of creativity that is artistic. To this particular subject, someone had to create the programming for the AI to be able to generate whatever art things that may be made. So did the AI really "create" it? There is still a person or persons with their artistic objective or subjective views behind it. So the AI was taught how to be artistic, and not "inspired" to be. Is altered replication "art"?
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Bad. I create… things and I do t want them stolen. Granted, I don’t let anyone outside of like 5 people see it, but I’d rather it not get pulled out by an algorithm and mashed together with someone else’s work. That would suck.
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They're cool. I think they could be a good option for people who want to visualize things but aren't very good at creating artwork themselves. I would worry about artistic plagiarism though. AI is generally -blam!- at any form of citation or clarity when it comes to informational sources, and that applies to art as well. Until Bezos gets his academic AI with perfect citations up and running, it will be a serious issue.
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They’re tools. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Human art’s value will increase because there are some things a human can do that AI can’t (yet)
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The key question for me is, what is the AI doing that an artist doesn’t do? “Good artists copy, great artists steal.” The AI is doing what all artists do — consume and replicate the work of other artists. The best ones are able to put their own spin on things, in order to make the work original. Can an AI do that? From the relatively small amount of AI work I’ve seen, I think it can, but just like human artists, there’s a lot of plagiarism to wade through as well. Personally, I find the soulless element impossible to ignore. It’s a bit like comparing a dusty, old, worn, handmade, vintage item of furniture to one that is shiny, brand new, machine made and mass produced. One has a story to tell and is treasured. The other is vapid and disposable.
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I watch a lot of artists who hate it for good reason I agree with aifos. The problem is, it’s a losing battle if artists keep trying to fight it they’ll fall onto the wrong side of history. No way artists are just gonna make it disappear. We need to find a way to incorporate ai into art without it killing the art zone. I don’t know how yet but that’s what’s got to happen imo. It’s stealing it’s bad to actual artists but it’s not going anywhere. We’ve got to find a way to safely use it.
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As others have said, it's fine as long as it's not being used to actively plagiarize other artists' work.
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As long as it is not being used for malicious intent like taking other people's art styles and saying they are your own.
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I don't really have much to add, you've pretty much covered my take on it. Besides, it's so difficult to determine what [b]is[/b] or [b]isn't[/b] art since as the expression goes, "Art is in the eye of the beholder." Some things I've seen that go for thousands or even millions of dollars leave me baffled as to why someone would pay an exorbitant sum for it.