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10/28/2020 5:48:13 PM
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I mean I can imagine a timeline where Crow becomes the Hunter Vanguard. I don't think it would or should happen instantly, like this year, but it feels like he's a reborn character who will struggle with who he was and what he's done and who is is now that he's been reborn in the light. In one timeline I could see him becoming a villain or an anti-hero. In another, I could see him eventually reach the point of redemption after numerous trials and mistrust and setbacks and become the hunter vanguard. And as people point out, it'd be a pretty poetic outcome due to Cayde's will.
I just don't see the need to reject it out of hand, though obviously it's not like it's set in stone or guaranteed, and it doesn't feel to me as outlandish as the Shaw Han = Uldren thing just because there's no way that would work from a new player narrative/temporal perspective (their character is born, they meet Shaw Han, then they play through the Forsaken campaign and they meet the character that would become Shaw Han before their Guardian was supposed to be reborn).
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Here's why I reject any idea of him being hunter vanguard. He didn't fufil caydes dare. That's all the evidence I need.
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Modifié par Hiryu69 : 10/29/2020 2:37:55 AMIt's not Caydes dare, it's the vanguard dare, even Cayde calls it that. He was the vanguard hunter because he lost the dare. It was never his dare.
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Wrong. Every hunter vanguard creates there own dare. Cayde made his. That's it.
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It's still not Caydes dare, it's the vanguard dare. And hate to break it to you but even Zavalla when talking to Anna Bray about it states that's it's the guy who killed Cayde, and that's Uldren/Crow. It's in the lore for the season.
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Do I actually have to show you the dare that was made that states whichever hunter kills him gets the vanguard position...
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I played that mission. And heard it thank you. Uldren was a hunter for Mara. Again even Zavalla says in lore that it's the person who killed Cayde who won the dare. So if Zavalla thinks that, why dont you?
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No Zavala acknowledges the dare and decided it would b best to let the tradition stand. Caydes dare stated that any hunter who kills him would get the position. Uldren was not a hunter nor a guardian. And Uldren is dead. Crow is for all intents and purposes a completely different person who shares the same appearance. Zavala acknowledging the dare is to show that he intends to let the hunters work it out themselves as per tradition instead of letting the consensus appoint a new vanguard. With that said it is still bungies game and we know they aren’t above making poor story choices. If Crow becomes vanguard down the line then it won’t be from Caydes dare. It will b because Bungo thinks themselves clever. Crow being revived in general just opens a messy can of worms
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Because that's not true. And uldren was NOT a hunter, I have 0 idea where you pulled that from. The Vanguard Dare was created in the beginning. Ever since then Hunters would create a dare with each other and the current HVG called the Hunters dare. Andal brask made a dare with the previous HVG and lost so HE became it. He then made one with cayde. Cayde lost the bet. Cayde made a bet. Nobody fufiled his dare. That's how it works. The vanguard dare was the first one. After that it was the Hunters dare. Between the current HVG and hunter or Hunters. That's how it has gone down for centuries. Zavala saying uldren gets it makes absolutely 0 sense. Uldren is... DEAD Uldren doesn't exist anymore. Remember when we res for the first time, we have no identity. We aren't the same person who died. The crow isn't uldren. He isn't eligible for the position. That's it.
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Modifié par pandastirfry : 10/29/2020 8:53:08 AMUmm bit of a point of order here but... Talula Fairwind was the first hunter Vanguard, she was RTL’d leaving the Hunter Vanguard position open. Andal Brask and Cayde-6 dared [i]each other[/i] That whoever kills Taniks [i]doesn’t[/i] have to become the Hunter Vanguard, and the one who didn’t kill Tankis [i]does[/i]. Cayde-6 killed Taniks... sort of. So Andal took over as Vanguard. Taniks was less dead than they thought and managed to kill Andal Brask, Cayde-6 “took up Andal’s cloak” and became the Vanguard to honor his friend (no dare involved). Cayde-6 created his own dare to pick his successor, whoever kills him gets the job. Now as to Uldren/Crow becoming the new Vanguard. Well... No. see Uldren May have killed Cayde, but Uldren was A: not a guardian let alone a hunter, B: Uldren’s dead (we killed him) and Crow is not Uldren. To paraphrase Dredgen Yor, “Same meat and bone, but the man is different”. In other words Uldren may have met the requirements of the Dare in one respect, Crow did not... Crow didn’t kill Cayde.
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Thanks for correcting me in the areas that needed it and putting it in a good way, proving crow can't be HVG
