Ive only had D2 for 7 or 8 weeks. Ive just got my power level high enough to play without frustration and starting to get decent armour and guns. Now its going to all be for nowt. some peoplea re saying its to keep the game interesting for players that have been playing ages. well theirs plenty of people that havent been playing ages and dont grind the crap out of it. So i agree the hours i have put it could well be pointless. The guns i got how i want them....pointless. yet....the scenery is always the same the game types the same the patrols are the same....see what im also saying.

"Congratulations, You just ruined Destiny <currentDestiny> . " -Bungie.net forum since Day 1

Lol Im enjoying this

Just in time for D3

Been here since d1 beta ...heard it all b4...Bungo did xyz now everyone’s gunna leave ....guess what .... Destiny evolves, most folks keep playing. Settle petal, stop being sooooo dramatic .... try suggesting some improvements.

Here is a great post from user SteelPaladin1997 adressing the shit tier magic analogy: "Okay, since the Magic: the Gathering analogy that was used in the post keeps coming up, here is why they do what they do and why it doesn't apply to Destiny: * MtG is a purely physical card game (unlike some newer collectors games that involve a digital aspect, like X-Wing 2.0). This means a card cannot be patched. The only option to update it is to issue a new version and cycle the old one out (or add it to banned/restricted lists). This obviously does not apply to Destiny. * Rotating cards out does not actually create new interest/diversity; it just trims things from the design space to give room for the new set theme/mechanics/synergies. MtG needs to do that because cards from across its long lifespan can be put together in devastating ways if unrestricted; lots of Vintage builds can effectively end the game as soon as it begins. It is that synergy that is the problem and what would straitjacket the design team if they had to build around it as it continued to grow; individually overpowered cards are still dealt with by restriction/ban (what would be patching in a video game). * Mr. Smith claims the same reasoning for "needing" to limit the number of active weapons in Destiny, but the design space for the game is massively less complex than MtG. Taking out 24 cards for lands, an MtG deck has 36 "slots" (22 slots in a 40-card Limited deck w/18 lands). For weapons, a Guardian has 3, and each one is restricted to a class of weapon (so they have completely separate and non-overlapping pools to draw from). A Guardian can also only be actively using one of those guns at any moment (and abilities that let one gun affect others are limited), rather than having whatever number of cards are in your board plus whatever Instants/Sorceries you can play on a turn. Destiny should be nowhere near the place where they need the crutch of shelving old weapons or they won't be able to add new things that aren't pointless or game-breaking. * Bottom line, block rotations for Destiny is a cop-out 'solution' that lets them keep churning out stuff that you have to work for all over again while simultaneously shrugging off any responsibility to their previous design mistakes because "it will just cycle out," with the added bonus that they don't have to be as creative and thoughtful in making new gear because they can just offer you rehashes of 'obsolete' guns you already had." Edit: from Kaella: "Every single "pro" of sunsetting I've seen anyone post on this subreddit, without exception, relies on some stupid one-liner truism like "This gives them room to make new weapons!!!!" or "Other MMOs make your gear obsolete so it's fine for Destiny to do it too!!!" No further analysis of whether those arguments are really true, or to what extent, or whether the problems they solve are worse than the problems that they cause. Just a bunch of people who seem fundamentally incapable of thinking anything through, imagining a vaguely hopeful future for weapon sunsetting that they don't understand themselves. Conversely, every single post I've seen that does think these things through comes to the same conclusion: There is a hypothetical way for weapon sunsetting to improve the game, but only if Bungie is willing to put in the work to fundamentally overhaul the loot system to support it - and if that work isn't done before implementing sunsetting, it can't just be thrown in after the fact or put off to Year 5, because the damage done at that point will be irreversible. Bungie seems to be unwilling and/or incapable of making those kinds of foundational shifts, and so sunsetting moves from the "hypothetically, this could be good" column, to "absolutely the worst idea Bungie has come up with for Destiny since D2 Year 1". The idea that it's about "power creep" is especially galling when it's coming after basically three consecutive seasons of drastic power reduction in player gear. The game is closer to being on the verge of a power collapse, like D2Y1, than it is to being adversely affected by power creep. Power creep is a problem, but it is not a very bad problem to have, because it's creep - it's slow. You won't kill your game by power creep unless you let it run absolutely rampant for years on end, and never do anything to curb it. You can afford to leave power creep in your game for several seasons without really doing any long-lasting damage - and undoing that damage is easy, because you can do it gradually, letting off a little pressure at a time. Power collapse, on the other hand, is life-threatening. People get bored, people get frustrated, and people quit the game, fast. A lot of them will never come back, under any circumstances, and of the ones that do, you have to really hit a home run to convince them. Most games don't survive it. Fewer can survive it twice."

Not sure I understand Bungie at the moment one minute they say they want to reduce the grind then introduce a change to the games basic mechanics which guarantees endless grind. Like lots of long time players you finally get a weapon with a decent roll masterwork then use it. With the introduction of retirement then thats all a waste of time.

What do you mean just? Its been ruined since year2 of D1

“Just” ruined it. 😂

Wait. They just ruined Destiny? Just? What the hell were they doing to it since launch if they’re only just now ruining it?

-blam!- bungie with their idea of making game better all they do is take shit from us than give it back to us to farm it again all they need to do is to add more weapons and more armour

This man get its, listen to him people. These points are all correct and we all should be angered by these changes

Man, I support every thought you make. I feel exactly the same way, I feel just cheated. No one will give me back my time, money, and psychological and mental suffering as much as I devote trying to get what I want (loot) in this game. The whole point - there is no such thing at all, zero goal, to do something in this game, because the whole point was - to collect the best weapons and armor you can. What is the goal now? Bungie - I haven’t played Destiny this season, throughout the quarantine. I think it’s time to look for another game. End of story.

lol 😂Bungie has always Dicktated how you play their game . Why is this any different ? They took everything you earned in D1 and flushed it ! to force you to buy new Shit to earn and then flush once more . Spent more hours working on Eververse junk than actual in game loot . Now they take you hard work once again and tell you that you mean nothing and Bungies word is law . The only Destiny of this game is to be lied too , stepped on and treated as if you were nothing but a $ . Are you glad now you spent countless hours earning loot you can’t keep , defending Bungie as they steal what you thought was yours . The only thing at the Mountain Top is yet another taller mountain to climb with a price to pay for the privilege to climb it .