pvp can be in this game. i see no reason to completely remove it. however, they need to stop focusing on making it a competitive environment. destiny will never go anywhere competitively. that’s what was so good about destiny one’s early pvp. it felt like a pvp meant for this game. it was chaotic and fun. the only problem were a few guns. but instead of just fixing those guns, they turned it into a never ending cycle of searching for balance and never hitting the mark. then we ended up with destiny 2(vanilla) we all know how that was. it was literally a pve game that was balanced around a pvp philosophy. that must never happen again. i’m sick of people thinking this game is some kind of competitive game that will make people give a crap about you if you pad your stats. look at all these people who care about their stats. from k/d to raid report red dots to gambit leaderboards, i’ve seen it all. i’m sorry to inform you, but nobody cares.

PVP is BS that’s not a secret

You've successfully pissed off the PvP cryhards. Have all the upvotes.

I only play destiny because of pvp and I know a lot of people that also do that. Last time I’ve checked, pvp population was 800k and pve population was 1.2kk. Stop acting like your opinion is the only one that matters.

For a lot of players the pve side is a boring monotonous grind for unrewarding loot. At least pvp gives you an adrenaline rush.

[b]Destiny and ESports.😂😂😂😂😂 Sorry, was just imagining it, with the most garbage, lazy, cheap P2P 30fps game around.[/b]

without digging too far into this... I've been saying since early D1 that the only way to properly have PVP is to offer and balance specific weapons and equipment for PVP only. Of course dedicated servers are badly needed as well. Perhaps they could have used or could use Factions (Dead Orbit, FWC, New Monarchy) to focus on and offer PVP gear along with Shax and the Crucible offerings. But until they roll out a set of equipment for PVP and a completely different set for PVE we are always going to have tweaks and nerfs that often times drastically hurt the PVE aspect of otherwise great weapons, supers and armors. Maybe then we could get a bundle of supers that actually feel, well, Super. Scout rifles actually packing a punch and so on.

Destiny wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for pvp you dope. Yr1/2 D1 had massive content droughts which trials and pvp helped keep the community numbers up. Take that away and destiny may have never had a sequel at all. Raids are boring now and the one dungeon has little to no replay value after you get the bow. Maybe for triumphs but meh. D2 pvp is bad but, I hope it gets better and it’s still more fun than the raids tbh

Let me make [i]this[/i] clear... *cleaning windows* [b]That's [/b] clear!

Nerfing anything at this point is pointless: there's way too much wrong with game balance to bother. What they do need to do is tone up all other weapons, subclasses, etc. so that they are competitive with the current meta, to create a more variegated meta that is spread across all subclasses, all skills, all weapons and gear, rather than being limited to a very tiny selection of guns, skills, subclasses, exotics, pinnacle weapons, etc. that favour some subclasses over others. That being said, I agree that it's not really useful to invest so heavily in Destiny's PvP because of a total lack of game balance or the bare necessities of proper arena PvP like dedicated servers and substantial human resources invested in ensuring that cheaters are caught and removed from the game while also ensuring that people aren't banned unjustly for something they didn't even do. It's a pity, because otherwise, both Destiny 1 and 2 would have been really fun PvP and different from the CoD kind. Too many online service companies think they can just roll out a platform where millions interact with each other everyday, without thinking about how they're going to provide support for those same users, in a way that would be unthinkable if it was any other product on the market, physical or virtual. The fact that we only have a handful of community managers who are failing to meet the demands of the playerbase when it comes to dealing with some very basic issues with things like network connections to the game shows that community management was an afterthought, rather than something integral that the game should have been built around, considering that this is a multiplayer game. However, with the dearth of PvE activities available, and much of the content gated behind expansions/annual pass, level and Light restrictions, and activities that are difficult to complete solo, Destiny 1 and 2 don't really have enough PvE content that is replayable in any meaningful way, and lacking in any sort of really meaningful rewards _for_ replaying. That leaves PvP as the only activity that has any long-term replayability, which is all the more frustrating that Bungievision can't seem to fix basic issues with PvP like game balance and particularly with regard to cheating directly related to their hybrid P2P system.

Anyone who has ever said Destiny was pvp-centric has never played EVE, a game with pvp so ingrained into it, that the only way NOT to die is to not play, or any other FPS game where the entire premise is to make the other guy look like he picked a fight with an ammo dump and lost.

So a pvp player touched you in your no no place I'm assuming?

I agree that we should just play this game with crucible as an afterthought game mode. Too many people playing crucible as if they are playing Rainbow 6. Being tactical and all. Bah, just blast supers and let’s loose. That is how is it meant to be played. Unbalanced and fun. 🤪