D2 could have been a hell of a lot better of a game than it is now. Bungie literally had everything from D1 right in front of their face and they ignored it all. That has to be the dumbest thing any AAA gaming come has ever done creating a sequel. On top of it, have a whole new team working on the game and Luke Smith of all people lead the game. It was a huge mess way before it went out the door and I don't know how any dev working for this company after working on D1 since 2007 could say it was a decent product that was ready to go out the door as is. This minimal effort in creating content is the issue in this entire game. Just the forge itself could have been a hell of a lot better if this company would have actually taken the time and put a little more effort and thought into it. Think about this for a moment. (This is only my opinion) whether anyone likes it or not doesn't matter. Bungie could have changed the experience by having the forge connected kind of like P.O.E and how EP is set up to where when you clear a room you move on to the next and more challenging experience. That alone would have saved the time having to go to orbit and run between 2 different planets and all that time in between just to run a tiny event. The way Bungie has it set up now doesn't give much of interest since everything between all 3 different areas are the same thing repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again leaving no room to do nothing else but the something. This is not what anyone can call quality content. It's another Court of Oryx that will get old real quick and left behind like Court of Oryx was. Having more content is not the issue in this game as far as events go, it's the quality of the content that is the issue.

For me, and just my opinion, the game has design problems. I will explain shortly. The nature of the game is that it wants to be a lot of things, but it doesn’t master any. Art wise it is superb and gameplay is great. It has a lot deep detail, can’t argue with that. RNG: I learned to grind and farm, since probably Final Fantasy 1. I would just stay in one area, for hours, killing the same IMP or Wolf, over and over, so I could level up, gather items and then try to kill the all powerful Marlboro. Some level of grinding and farming is required in almost every game out there. With other games you would do it, so you could defeat a powerful boss that would give you a unique reward and/or get a piece of armor/weapon that was worth the effort. But, what you wanted was basically guaranteed. Many of those games also have a level of RNG. A particular boss may drop a unique item that you want/need. You would farm that boss for hours, but since it is the only source for that item you know it was basically guaranteed that you would obtain it. Now comes Destiny’s take on RNG. Mostly everything in this game is obtained via RNG. Everything is a roulette in this game and it is obnoxious. Nightfall and nightfall drops RNG. Gambit and Malfeasance quest items have RNG. Seals requirements have RNG. 1,000 Voices drop is RNG and so on and so forth. Even buying with money an engram from Eververse has RNG. The only items out of this RNG loop are quest specific items, and I’m highly grateful for those. Getting the Whisper with friends was a blast, but getting my 10th Blast Furnace with slideshot and field prep is idiotic and frustrating. The RNG in this game is just a leashless monster that can’t be tamed. I do not know what the solution to this RNG conundrum is. I do know that it is designed to keep you playing for a long, long time. At the end, I am just so tired, that finally getting that “reward” makes no difference, it creates no emotion other than apathy. I could care less for that item now. 650: My 3 characters are 650 and I opened the 3 forges with the 3 toons, and I see this as a problem. Reaching 650 is not the problem. The problem is that once you get to 650 you feel stuck. I have thousands and thousands of planetary materials and thousands and thousands of vanguard/crucible/iron banner coins. I have almost 30 prime engrams, and a bunch of powerful engram bounties including Iron Banner completed bounties, just there in the pursuits. There is no incentive to redeem them. I will not get anything that I don’t already have. I already have all “drop” exotics in the game. In this game trying to reach 650 is a problem and being 650 is a problem. My friends keep getting the same weapons over and over, and what they are missing to reach 650 in one of their characters is armor. This game has no sense of balance. Highly frustrating to level up and frustrating when you get there, there is no incentive to do anything. Also this game desperately needs new areas to explore and new maps, it is stale as it is now. Vendors are worthless and stuck in Y1, it is ridiculous. This game has the potential to become a real legend. It is full of great ideas but with bad delivery. I remember seeing the Collections tab for the first time. It was a great idea. Being able to delete and clean up the vault, where I can just reacquire something later, via Collections is great. Then came the random rolls and you was not able to reacquire items that had random rolls. How stupid can that be, specially since most Y1 items became obsolete the moment Forsaken was available. Then came the change to infusion costs and the enhancement cores dilemma. That is by far the most ridiculous thing ever in a game. It is still, to this date, a hot debate. Destiny 2 is a game that can easily win game of the year awards and other prestigious awards, but it needs to evolve and change. It needs definition and balance. 1. Get rid of Y1 weapons and armor, except exotics, of course. I don’t want to see them in collections as they are irrelevant. This is not Destiny 2 anymore. It is Destiny Forsaken, make it so. 2. Give all vendors new, specific, weapons and armor. I would like to rock a newly designed failsafe inspired armor set with a Ghost that has her voice and antics (I can dream). 3. Make collections relevant to new items. Do something about reacquiring items with random rolls. Bungie created this problem by themselves, they can fix it as they are creative. 4. Do something about infusion costs. 5. New areas to explore, public spaces and maps. 6. Take a look at the RNG, it has a function, but that function can’t be to punish players and make them not care anymore. 7. Once you reach light level cap give an option to get something in return from prime engrams. Give me 5 cores for all I care, don’t know, something. 8. Make planetary materials relevant to purchasing new stuff from the newly introduced vendor options. 9. Fix loading times. Takes too long to load the UI. 10. Get rid of cosmetics from Seals. They just don’t make sense for a Seal from the beginning. Balance and changes this game needs.

You know, I actually don't believe necessarily that there isn't anything to do as much as how irrelevant everything is. Bungie has failed to layer the game appropriately and create substance for what we do, have and earn. I hopped on Destiny to kill some time and the "magic" everyone speaks of that's "gone" comes from the emptiness of everything we've done. The cookie cutter grind design is antiquated and has become an insult to players who have grown with this franchise. Useless NPCs riddle this game. Useless seasons riddle this game. Useless events riddle this game. Useless quests, weapons and armor riddle this game. What does any of it mean? It seems elementary, but Bungie has failed to harness the "Becoming Legend" component. They killed the only entertaining character in Destiny 2 for no reason (other than a cheap tactic to create emotional substance towards sales of Foresaken), and the only two compelling characters (the drifter and spider) remain flat. Of course there's no motivation. We've been disrespected at every turn since launch. These days I wander around on patrol or sit in space thinking to myself, "This means nothing. It'll all be irrelevant next season, update, DLC, or whatever." The music, the worlds, gameplay etc. are wonderful, yet sad. It's an empty game of chores. The shader system alone is depressing. The abandoned sparrow racing? (I loved it even though it needed work). Customizing our subclass builds, gone. The recycled PVP maps were insulting. They could've just brought back all the old maps on top of the new ones. No one would've judged them. Lost Sectors don't have their own narrative or lore or weapons/armor. NPCs don't even relocate or "live". No matter what time of day or event going on, Devrim Kay is still wearing the same thing, doing the same thing, saying the same things, offering the same things at the same place. The worlds are mostly empty, save for repeated respawns of enemies. And what about the Farm? Useless. We have exotic ships.... that do nothing. Same for sparrows and ghosts. We used to have exotic class items. We don't even have bonuses for wearing full themed sets. There's no motivation because motivation is generated with true purpose and reward. Reward that is built upon, not abandoned. Purpose that builds towards something that will not fade, and not become pointlessly recycled tasks (like chasing light level numbers). We have not become legend. Yet, we still play, hoping someday we may at least feel like we have.

Lost it as soon as the dawning started. They actually made some form of a attempt to fix a few things when it was time to get our cash again. Imagine my frowny face when I seen the new forges were me doing all the same milestones for a light level that doesn't make me feel powerful? I'm tired of them calling it new content and all the do is move the number on everything. I don't enjoy the same boring things to get 1 light level at a time . And you go back to day one places and I still attack and die as fast as when I was light level 200. Most games have a power level to get to before end game starts. Not this game getting a light level is the only end game. There is not one task you haven't seen before when you max level in this game. Ever And the RNG isnt a grind. It's a artifical content to prolong are game time. Not fun. And what other game sells you a RNG chance at a RNG item ?most games sell you what you want .

i think i lost motivation to play videogames altogether , not just destiny , not sure if its just me or the games of today simply suck ass my mood to play is gone when i see exclusive preorder bonuses, broken games at launch , day one DLC or lots of chopped out DLC pieces to pay for , also lootboxes and timegated content i already paid for especially piss me off gamin industry needs a crash again to get their shit together it seems

exotic duplicates need to be removed.

[b]Population is down to 1.1million. A lot of people agree. Bungie is just incapable to entertain the masses anymore. They are pulling their last possible wallet heists, until September or D3. Also, death to Activision[/b]

Big time. Not touched D2 for a while now, I'm just hoping Anthem can keep my interest.

Anyone here have One Eyed Mask and still not play? I feel like once you get that thing you cannot quit