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Why can't modern conservatives be the party of small government and personal responsibility they claim to be? But no, they want to control who loves who, what women do with their bodies, and punish minorities.
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  • [quote]they want to allow freedom of religion, save babies from being murdered, and punish people who commit crimes.[/quote] Fixed

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  • [quote][quote]they want to allow freedom of religion, save babies from being murdered, and punish people who commit crimes.[/quote] Fixed[/quote] No they don't. Just have a look at their policies and you'll see that's not the case.

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  • [quote][quote][quote]they want to allow freedom of religion, save babies from being murdered, and punish people who commit crimes.[/quote] Fixed[/quote] No they don't. Just have a look at their policies and you'll see that's not the case.[/quote] No they do. Grow some intellectual honesty and you will no longer be blind.

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  • Because that's not modern conservatism. You're equating two things that are very different.

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  • [quote]Because that's not modern conservatism. You're equating two things that are very different.[/quote] If it isn't modern conservatism, the why do so many conservatives support those things?

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  • People who hold those views are, by definition, not conservative, despite whether they think they are. If tomorrow I woke up and said "I'm a socialist", even though I believe in the free market, my self-identification doesn't change the definition, and I'm not magically a socialist. Somebody who calls themselves conservative and thinks the government can say who can marry who is obviously not conservative; they're just a moron. Furthermore, there is an important distiniction to be made regarding gay marriage views. A lot of conservatives believe gay marriage is a silly, immoral, or variety of other adjectives, thing. That opinion however does not affect the view that people have the right to marry who they please regardless of what they think. One doesn't have to support gay marriage to be conservative; a conservative, by definition, supports the freedom to do so. That's the basis of the world view.

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  • [quote]Somebody who calls themselves conservative and thinks the government can say who can marry who is obviously not conservative; they're just a moron.[/quote]I'd like to point you in the direction of the entire Republican party, then. [quote]That opinion however does not affect the view that people have the right to marry who they please regardless of what they think[/quote]You mean like Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples?

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  • Modifié par Slain : 1/2/2018 5:12:12 PM
    [quote]I'd like to point you in the direction of the entire Republican party, then.[/quote] I agree. They're anti-conservative morons. [quote]You mean like Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples?[/quote] Yes. As somebody who failed to uphold the basic 'live and let live' principle of modern conservatism, we have another moron. I know we disagree on a lot, but we cam both agree that these people suck. And a lot of conservatives aren't the awful hateful scumbags you think they are.

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  • [quote][quote]I'd like to point you in the direction of the entire Republican party, then.[/quote] I agree. They're anti-conservative morons. [quote]You mean like Kim Davis, who refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples?[/quote] Yes. As somebody who failed to uphold the basic 'live and let live' principle of modern conservatism, we have another moron. I know we disagree on a lot, but we cam both agree that these people suck. And a lot of conservatives aren't the awful hateful scumbags you think they are.[/quote]Then who are these conservatives? Do they even exist? If they exist, why do they remain silent while these far-right politicians are elected?

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  • I wish I knew. All I know is that the republican party is -blam!-ed and that a lot of shitty people think they're conservatives. That's my whole point.

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  • I’m pretty sure she refused to give a marriage license [u]with her name on it[/u], but apparently she has to put her name on it even if she doesn’t support it.

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  • [quote]I’m pretty sure she refused to give a marriage license [u]with her name on it[/u], but apparently she has to put her name on it even if she doesn’t support it.[/quote] I mean, that's her job - to issue marriage licenses.

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  • She should have been able to just give them the marriage license, (which is what they wanted), and not have been forced by the government to put her name on it.

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  • [quote]She should have been able to just give them the marriage license, (which is what they wanted), and not have been forced by the government to put her name on it.[/quote] Well a marriage license isn't any good if it isn't signed and approved by the issuing body. If she didn't want to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, she shouldn't have taken a job where she was going to have to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

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  • [quote][quote]She should have been able to just give them the marriage license, (which is what they wanted), and not have been forced by the government to put her name on it.[/quote] Well a marriage license isn't any good if it isn't signed and approved by the issuing body. If she didn't want to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, she shouldn't have taken a job where she was going to have to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.[/quote] Why should licenses exist? Ask the right questions max instead of focusing on an individual you should focus on the authority that has no decent argument of existing

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  • [quote]control who loves who[/quote] There’s a huge difference between loving someone and marrying them. No Republican politician can prevent you from loving someone. [quote]what women do with their bodies [/quote] Abortion is a multifaceted issue. There are situations where abortion should be legal, like if a woman is -blam!-. But in a committed relationship between a man and a woman, the man should absolutely have a say in the situation. Unfortunately, he doesn’t. [quote]punish minorities[/quote] Wtf..?

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  • [quote]Why can't modern conservatives be the party of small government and personal responsibility they claim to be?[/quote] But when Democrats increase the power of the government (in order to "protect" the people, but it actually hurts the people), it's a good thing? Conservatives/Republicans did get rid of the individual mandate from Obamacare (the mandate that made it illegal for me not to have health insurance. Thanks Obama). Getting rid of the government's ability to punish me for not buying the expensive insurance policies, which were made expensive due to the regulations placed on insurance companies by Obamacare (thank you again Obama), sounds like making the government smaller. Not to mention, Trump did get rid of a lot of business regulations (put in place by the good old federal government), and guess what, the market's been booming. Seems like when you deregulate markets, the country benefits. Also tax rates for most people and businesses went down. Now our corporate tax rate is on par with European countries, which are also having great GDP growth btw. So, the government is taking less of my money, which means I can use that money on the things I want. Sounds like less government to me. [quote]But no, they want to control who loves who[/quote] Or they don't want the federal government to make decisions that should be a state decision (you know smaller federal government).To them, making a law from the bench was unconstitutional. Sure, some think it goes against god's will, but not all of them think that way. Doesn't mean I agree, but that's what they believe. [quote]what women do with their bodies[/quote] Maybe because they see abortion as a violation of the baby's right to life and freedom. Again, I know some think it goes against god's will, but some don't see it that way. You don't have to agree, I'm just trying to give you their side. [quote]and punish minorities. [/quote] Yeah because it's not like Democrats were the ones that established the welfare state, which saw the break up of the black family (the root of many of the ills facing the black community). Also, I'm guessing people like Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Blaire White, Guy Benson, and all the other individuals that would belong in a "minority group" are traitors to their minority group.

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  • Modifié par D3adLy Subzero : 1/1/2018 1:53:59 PM
    Or, or, we can not group the vocal minority in with parties that have a range of beliefs. You straw man conservatives the way you hate it being done to liberals. Edit: also I don’t think it was the intent of the OP to be one-sided or aggressive, just him giving his opinion/observation.

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  • [quote]Or, or, we can not group the vocal minority in with parties that have a range of beliefs. You straw man conservatives the way you hate it being done to liberals. Edit: also I don’t think it was the intent of the OP to be one-sided or aggressive, just him giving his opinion/observation.[/quote] If it's only a small minority, then why do these conservative representatives keep getting elected?

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  • Same reason(s) far-left liberals get votes.

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  • [quote]Same reason(s) far-left liberals get votes.[/quote] What far-left politicians are being elected?

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  • I think he means they are getting support, not necessarily getting elected.

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  • Modifié par D3adLy Subzero : 1/1/2018 8:43:10 PM
    Bernie Sanders got pretty far in the election and he’s a flat-out socialist.

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  • [quote]Bernie Sanders got pretty far in the election and he’s a flat-out socialist.[/quote] Lol Bernie isn't a socialist. Expanding social programs does not make one a socialist.

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  • Ummmm yes, Bernie Sanders is a socialist. If he walks like a duck, talks like a duck... He’s [b]Heavily[/b] supported Venezuela’s socialist reforms, and would like to see America in the same state. I don’t know anyone who’s critically analyzed Bernie’s policies and [i]didn’t[/i] think he was a socialist.

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