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Modifié par b3dd :
10/30/2017 12:15:57 PM
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Leviathan Raid Complaint/Tip
I’ve completed the raid several times, and usually there’s at least one person in the fireteam that has never done the raid. An irritating trend I’ve observed that tends to cause problems completing the various sections of the raid is that experienced fireteam members will call for the easiest jobs, leaving the inexperienced people to the more difficult jobs. In the Gauntlet, I don’t care how good you think you are at running, everyone is good at it because it’s the easiest job, and if you have a new raider it’s what they should be doing. In the Gardens, the dogs to either side of the safe room are the easier 2 and should be delegated to the newer people... not the guy with 15 completions who is a prism weapon holder.
I’m just a little fed up with that person you always seem to get while PUG raiding who talks all this trash about how good he is, critiques everyone’s loadout, then demands the easiest roles even when there’s someone there who has never done the raid. I hate to burst your bubble, but if you have to do the easiest roles, you are a carry, like the new guy, and aren’t an asset to any raid team.
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I always make the Prism Holders do the back dogs, because it's easier for them to get to. On the Gauntlet I usually run, but that's because new guys are afraid of running I guess? I've offered it to a couple new guys and they both wanted to do plates.
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3 commentairesI've explained how to do dogs, baths, gauntlet, and calus multiple times to new players with the raid. Regardless of how hard a job is, if they know what to do and understand the instruction you are giving to them, they'll do just fine. I generally have new players on the same side as me and have them start middle in baths, then I'll have them usually run right side with me on dogs and give them a random dog to kill, in gauntlet I'll have them stay on a plate, and in calus I usually will have the new player stay in the void with the occasional new player being allowed to go back to throne room. I've never had a single issue.
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1 commentaireUnsolicited comment incoming: You are too thin skinned. If someone has actual advice, knows someone is -blam!-ing up, and that person continues to -blam!- up (particularly in the same manner)..... they will get pissed. If someone has worthless advice and they are an absolute scrub, then get them the hell away from you and your team. Anyone who has played a MMO on PC can tell you: this raid, and game, are absolutely -blam!-ing simple. Heavily mechanically oriented, but in normal mode especially? A joke. There is no disorientation, there are no hidden mechanics, just a simple string of orders you follow to get from point a to point b. The most annoying part of it is probably dogs, as it is the most prone to random acts of failure due to people not paying attention. Bath house is simple, as it requires people to move in a V formation in 2 groups of 3. Dogs requires people to essentially learn a more active version of gorgons, but inevitably the most consistent fun besides running the Gauntlet. Gauntlet requires people to figure out what arrow to shoot in a pair and kill a psion, otherwise call a red circle and run through it without jumping into a hole in the floor that never changes. Calus requires you to mechanically go through an encounter that literally never changes besides callout changes. All enemies are going to come out of the same place, every time. Oh yes, and shoot skulls coming at you, jump plate to plate in a consistent order, and not die. Assuming you are not deaf, you can get through this very easily if it is explained to you. And they have. All you have to do is be willing to learn, and not ask for the A team on the first go through. For one, most A teams are not actually the A team they think they are, and secondly if you are in a group that asks for you to do a leading position on your first go through as a raid virgin, you are clearly in the wrong group. That said, giving individuals the easiest experience, much less thrusting them into it, makes them more likely to turn into the dickheads you seem to despise. That being those who can't fill in a job because they only know, quite literally, one job per area. My personal experience is to not always challenge individuals, but at least give them a shot unless you are doing something you clearly know they should not be doing (such as prestige). Lastly, don't show up to my group stoned off your gourd. You don't need to be cognizant just actually trying to learn. And before you ask yes: I've carried, taught, and lead people through this mess. Just don't ask me to nod my head and say this is a perfect world knowing damn well how many groups I've gone through. Oh yes, and if I say you have a completely -blam!-ed up load out, it's probably not a horrible idea to listen as to why. Sometimes, even being as dickish as I am now, someone has a point. Also Bungie, if you could bring back heavy ammo synths, I'm pretty sure the collective sigh of relief might actually buy you a week or two of time to slow the outrage machine.
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2 commentairesI agree that when running with people new to the raid, we as more experienced raiders should be helping them out. However, I disagree with you on how that should be done. First, the gauntlet is tricky because people run it in so many different ways. Some like to send everyone not running to their own plate and either help the plate to their right or pair off with one particular adjacent plate. Others do as my fireteam does; 2 three man teams. One runner, one plate, one ground. The two outside shadow their runners movements focusing on very specific jobs. It's been my experience the 2 teams works best for new players, keeping the new players as "plate men" and shooting top. They aren't overwhelmed with things to do and get to see everything and get a feel for the timing of things. The truth of things is that we as a community have to be more acceptant and patient of new players (or at least new to particular content). Similarly, new people, let your team know what you have done, what you have questions about, and listen to the explanations. Lying about what you know is just as bad as experienced players getting frustrated and booting someone. Everyone expect some wipes. Everyone will get things down sooner rather than later.
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Lol ppl still play that carnival of a raid?
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4 commentairesstanding on a platform and shooting a red triangle is the easiest bit...
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None of the jobs are difficult. Like at all. The only [i]only[/i] job I would never assign to a newbie is leading on dogs. Anyone should be able to do any job regardless of completions on Normal difficultly
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4 commentairesWhy waste your time for some shaders?
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1 commentaireI suppose it comes down to a teams preference, and what they consider easier for a new raider, as well as what that new raider is comfortable doing. That said, I agree with what you proposed a new raiders role should be in each section. Just last night I ran a raid with an lfg group. It quickly became apparent that one person had never done the raid before (was not mentioned previously). Everyone else on the team was quite experienced, and adjusted accordingly. We had the newbie run at gauntlets, take the L1 dog, and come into the shadow realm with us (since we were running the 4/2 strategy). We finished 3 of the four sections without a wipe, and cleared the raid in about 2 hours. He was fortunate enough to find a group like us who did not only not mind he never mentioned he was new, but who were experienced and coordinated enough to adjust positions on the fly without sacrificing the teams dynamics. I understand some groups who just want a fast run with “experienced players only”, though there’re also a large amount of weathered raiders who enjoy helping new raiders through their first attempt at endgame PvE. A lot of it depends on how you compose a recruitment post, which may better attract the type of guardian(s) you seek.
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Hm, I am confused. In the second episode of Season 3 of Breaking Bad, Walt tossed an entire pizza on top of his roof out of anger. However, pizzas that are delivered are sliced, and in the scene, the slices should’ve scattered across the roof instead of landing as one whole round pizza.
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11 commentairesWell said sir!! When can you and your team carry me through the raid? Lol I don't have a mic and my "friendly clan" always kicks me when i try to join a raid! I know, i know, my own micless fault
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Might suggest asking the people you did raid with to friend and build a team of 6 you can raid weekly with. Maybe even have some backups find 12 or so people (clan) and raid consistently so there isn't new people
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35 commentairesWish I could get into a raid. I keep posting saying I'm new and want to play, but no one responds. I spent the better part of my evenings and weekends doing this with no luck.
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1 commentaireIf we really need a saviour then bring back Smoggy Pluto that guy was a real saviour
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Something I’d add to this, which goes way back to D1 raids and has always pissed me off......when running in a team remember one simple rule - it’s a fkn team event. So, once you’ve done ur bit help the team out where possible, don’t just put your feet up and puff on a stogie whilst those around you struggle, die and cause a wipe. Also, don’t whine and complain when the team fails or point out how much dmg you’ve done cause you know what.....you failed! The worst type of players imho and there’s usually at least one in every raid group.
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3 commentairesThe raid is not worth doing multiple times unless you want some lipstick to smear on a piece of armor.
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The only position I'm not comfortable with in the raid is Succ Dimension on Calus. It's just a case of I got stuck in the throne room on my first run, and that's just what I stuck with. Now every PUG is impatient and unwilling to let you try out roles you've never done before (which is understandable in a sense. A lot of them just want to get it done with no hassle.) So I've never had the chance to do it. Now that Prestige mode is out and knowing it has become a necessity, it's discouraged me from giving PM a shot. My Power isn't an issue, since I have three 305 chars and all the required weaponry. I guess part of me just doesn't feel like learning to do an encounter in an activity I don't like to get loot I won't use in a game I don't really play anymore. This is coming from someone with around 450 raid comps in D1 as well. When did raiding stop being so enjoyable?
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I've done a couple Leviathan Raids with people who have never done the Raid before and I don't think giving them the easiest job to start is always the best idea. [b]Royal Pools[/b]: This one is open for flexibility, we were starting them on one of the bottom plates and telling them to watch out for their Bather around x25 Psionic Protection (assuming all jumped on the plate at the same time). [b]Pleasure Gardens[/b]: This one we would explain what's happening, but stick them on the bottom floor and follow a more experienced Raider. Everyone knows how to jump and hold RT, but not everyone knows how to move from the L1 Flower to R2 in the quickest fashion, so placing the newer player on the ground floor allows them to understand what is actually happening. I found giving them either the R2 or Trees dog worked better than R3/R1 or L3/L1, and the reason why is because it's in the middle of the other two players. (Same w/ Prestige Mode, don't have a player on R2, have the R2 player take Caves and all collapse on R2 after theirs are dead). This way the other two players can collapse on the newer player's dog once theirs is dead. [b]The Gauntlet:[/b] They should start out learning how to do the platforms. Easiest way is having them take either the Cup or Dog plate and shooting the top arrow. I know there are some people who struggle with this concept, and if your team is routinely unable to get the green gates only then would I suggest having the person run. Sooner or later their going to need to learn how to do platforms. [b]Calus:[/b] This is one where I'd explain what's going on, and have them take either "Mind's Eye" or Middle Throne Room (unless you do the 4:2 strat). Just explain to them that the players staying in the Mind's Eye see a symbol on Calus' forehead, and they must call them out while also killing the two projections and three psions that spawn, etc.
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No. If you know how to explain an encounter well, anyone can do anything.
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Prism holder has to take the dogs L3 n R3.
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27 commentairesPrism right? R3 dog Prism left? L3 dog Not open to discussion :-)
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2 commentairesI somewhat agree, except the easiest role in gauntlet is plate jumper. If you are running 2 rotating teams, plate jumper's only responsibilities are to shoot an arrow and get to the next plate before the runner. It's a lot harder for the plate jumper to screw up than the runner. Also, have you been in groups where the runner is the one making mistakes? It's maddening. Sometimes I pick my role because I know for an absolute fact that I won't fail. In groups with friends, I am ok with my team failing a few times if it means my guys are learning new roles (and hopefully improving future raid chances). In LFG groups, I'm way more interested in finishing and more likely to take key roles.
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4 commentairesI'm a D1 raid vet. I can't get on a squad for this raid because I've never ran it. That's funny. Like carrying a guy or two is a life or death decision. We carried newbies all the time in D1, no big deal. Are the D2 raiders a bunch of sissies or something?
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If the prism holder doesn't take R3 or L3, they're selfish. Simple as that.
