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10/29/2017 12:11:06 PM
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Agreed, this game sucks. It’s Luke’s fault that it sucks. Bungie should fire the person that lost millions of dollars for their company.
“But Qeylis, D2 sold well”. It sure did, random voice in my head. But if it was a good game, it would have sold much better.
This is the age of social media. No one listens to critics anymore. We listen to our friends. Even if most of our friends say the game is good (unlikely), the ones that say it’s bad will be much louder (and probably more numerous). Would you buy a game that your friends told you was trash? I didn’t think so.
But if they say “Its great! Buy it! I’ll take you on the Raid!”, are you more likely to buy it then? Yes, yes you are! This effect is almost completely missing from Destiny 2. The negative friends are much louder and numerous.
So, even though Luke made money for Bungie, he lost millions that he could have made. If I were his boss, he’d be gone, and I’d be hoping the board doesn’t fire me for hiring an idiot like that.
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Modifié par ToC Armstrong : 10/29/2017 3:49:25 PMHow many hours have you put into it
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Destiny 1: 1181 Destiny 2: 97 I loved Destiny 1 so much that I bought it for 4 friends. As the DLC's and Expansions came out, I bought them for those friends as well. I convinced several other friends to buy it for themselves, and they all bought the DLC's and expansions. I am solely responsible for over 1000 dollars given to Bungievision for Destiny 1. With Destiny 2, I played for about 60 hours until I realized that there was no game in this game. I wanted to find the game, so I played even after I realized it wasn't fun. I told those same friends not to buy Destiny 2. So far, the majority of them haven't. Only one friend that I told to buy Destiny 1 has purchased Destiny 2, and he doesn't play much anymore. Does that answer your question?
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60 hours sounds like you got your money’s worth
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LOL!!! Perhaps I should break that down further, for the silly people. How long was the story? 5-8 hours? That's the part that I had "Fun" with. I got my first legendary armor set a few hours later. I got my Uriel a few hours after that. So, I had everything I needed after about 15 hours. After that, I was trying to figure out what to do with this game from 15-60 hours. It was like No Man's Sky. Lot's of stuff to see, but absolutely none of it worth doing. It wasn't until the 60 hours that I REALIZED what the problem was (No Man's Sky Syndrome), because I'd seen it before. So, you could make the argument that I enjoyed 15 hours, was bored for 45 hours, and hated the game for 37 hours until I finally quit. But, no, I did not get my money's worth, not even close!
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You got at least 15 hours of stuff to do that’s more than most games, you got your money’s worth you’re just mad that you don’t have more to do
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[quote]You got at least 15 hours of stuff to do that’s more than most games, you got your money’s worth you’re just mad that you don’t have more to do[/quote]Dude, would you say that most people got their money's worth with NMS? It was billed as a game that you could play forever, that's what you were paying for. If you didn't play it forever, did you get your money's worth? Destiny 2 is the sequel to a game that you could play for months without getting bored. Destiny 1 needed injections of content now and then, but the base game kept you playing and having fun. This game, the sequel under review, can't even keep most of playing for 1 month. That's not "Getting your money's worth". If I didn't expect that the DLC was going to be good, I'd be going to Microsoft and asking for my money back. But, Barrett is the opposite of Smith. Everything that Smith gets wrong, Barrett seems to get right. I think Barrett will make an infinitely better version of Destiny, and at that point, I'll get my money's worth.
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When did bungie promise so much with destiny 2? I recall them talking about a new story which we got, and a raid which we got.
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I never said they made any promises with Destiny 2. The promises were with Destiny as a franchise. The promises were about the 10 year plan. I repeat; Destiny 2 is a sequel to a game that could keep us playing for months without getting bored. It's reasonable to expect that the sequel will at least attempt to do the same thing as the original. It didn't, so I didn't get my money's worth.
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Don’t compare it to nms then because nms flopped due to hype and empty promises, and the game can still be enjoyed for months. Keep in mind this is year 4 of the 10 year plan
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Right, and year 1, 2, and 3 were all better. They all kept us playing for months, as opposed to what happened here. Less than one month, and we're bored. And I will compare it to NMS, because Destiny 2 didn't live up to the promise of Destiny, just like NMS didn't live up to the promises of it's creator. It's an apt comparison.
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Destiny 2 has more content in its year 1 then destiny 1, they’re adding content back after improving it, and no it’s not an apt comparison because you are being a whiny brat who didn’t get what they wanted.
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[quote]Destiny 2 has more content in its year 1 then destiny 1[/quote]This argument is getting tired. Is worthless content, more content? So, because they add "Lost Sectors" that no one ever does because there's no reason to, is that "More content"? Is the same number of Strikes and Raids as Vanilla, "More content"? Are fewer PVP maps (D1 Vanilla=11, D2=6) "More content"? Is less than 10% of the weapons and gear of D1 (because of random rolls) "More content"? That's not what "More content" means to me. And that's exactly why D2 is so much like NMS. NMS technically has "More content" than any game in history. But none of it is worth doing. D2 technically has "More content" than D1 Vanilla, but none of it is worth doing. To me, if it's not worth doing, then it's not "More content".
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Okay if you don’t like the bloody game then don’t play it, all you are doing is being a whiny brat who hasn’t gotten what he wants and is complaining to others, go somewhere else no one wants people like you here.
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I'm not playing it. But since Shared World Shooters are my favorite type of game (ever since Destiny 1 Vanilla), and the only good one is Destiny (Vanilla-Age of Triumph), and the newest version is pure, distilled crap, I'll keep commenting on this POS. If Bungie doesn't know what they did wrong, they can't fix it. I want the next version (Osiris) to be as good as RoI. If we don't tell them how to do that, they won't know. If you don't like it, mute me. I'm not going to stop until the game that I loved gets fixed. But if your gonna start muting people that don't like this game, your going to have a very long mute list. Actually, if you don't like it, WTF are you doing on the Destiny boards? Complaints about the worst sequel in history is all the boards are right now. Maybe you should go to Reddit. Oh, that won't work either, it's all complaints right now too.
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Go play warframe or WoW, because honestly no one wants people who whine and complain like you, the game will get better, they don’t need your input if it’s just whining
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So, that's the best you've got? Basically, what you're telling me by whining about my whining is that you don't have any good arguments against my actual points, and you've got to attack me personally because you've got nothing. That makes you a coward. Just admit that you're wrong and go away, like a man does. Don't call people who have destroyed your argument "Whiny", just because you don't know how to counter the argument. It makes you look like an idiot.
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I’m not wrong I’ve given valid points you just have a conformation bias so you aren’t open to other ways of seeing this game.
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LOL, so you do know how to form an argument, but you resorted to ad hominem instead of debating the issue. That's pretty hilarious. After you've done an ad hominem, like a coward does, you pretend that I have a confirmation bias. No, dude, no. I've got evidence. I've presented the evidence many times, but here it is again. The ever shrinking playerbase of Destiny 2 vs the stable playerbase of Destiny 1. The fact that none of the top 10 twitch channels are Destiny 2, and only one in the top 50 is (as opposed to Destiny 1, when Twitch was dominated by Destiny streamers). None of the trending videos on Youtube are about Destiny 2. Almost every single trending post on this board is negative. Even on Reddit, normally a bastion against Destiny salt, is almost completely negative. That's not "Confirmation Bias", that's evidence. And it's the only evidence we have. But, I'm done with you. I should have quit the second you attacked me like a coward, but I just can't resist a good troll. You you are a good troll. There's a good ad hominem for you. I think I'll go ahead and forgive myself for using it against a troll though. Muted.
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Bye bye special snowflake
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Destiny 2 is a superb financial success and it’s just getting started. You might not like the game, and that’s ok, but to deny it’s success financially is silly.
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Really? Please share the numbers that no one knows because Bungevision doesn't release them. I'd love to know how many copies of Destiny 2 were sold, since no one knows. We know things like, Destiny 2 broke "Franchise" pre order records. Who cares? Or, it had the best Week over Week sales in the franchise. Again, irrelevant. That's spin. That's a way to trick investors. How many copies did it sell, that's the only thing that matters. We do know that it sold half as many physical copies as Destiny 1, since that's the only thing we can track without Bungievision's help. That's an interesting metric. That could mean that the whole game sold half as well, or it could mean that way, WAY more people prefer digital now, which is exceedingly unlikely. So right now, the only real information we have is a couple spin statements, and a lack of interest in the physical disk. So please, share your numbers with the rest of the world, so that we can see how amazingly successful this game is. Because right now, it sure looks like you're a liar.
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D2 broke a number of PS2 launch week records. Look it up. Do you own homework.
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I did. It didn't. It broke the week over week numbers. That's an irrelevant number.
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Largest preorder game of all time on PS. Best selling game of all time on day one on PS Store. Most players playing simultaneously on day one of all time on PS. Best selling console game of the year thus far. To name a few.
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Modifié par Qeylis : 10/30/2017 1:43:01 PM[quote]Largest preorder game of all time on PS.[/quote]Irrelevant. Total sales is all that matters. [quote]Best selling game of all time on day one on PS Store.[/quote]Day one, irrelevant. [quote]Most players playing simultaneously on day one of all time on PS.[/quote]Day one, irrelevant. [quote]Best selling console game of the year thus far.[/quote]Finally, something relevant. Good job. Now, I will direct you back to my OP, so that you can finally "Brain" what I said.[quote]“But Qeylis, D2 sold well”. It sure did, random voice in my head. But if it was a good game, it would have sold much better. [/quote]Please note, for the record, that my original post is unedited. I said it was successful, but I said it would have been [u]even more successful[/u] if it was actually a good game. Smith made millions for the Bungievision, but he would have made millions more if the game had actually been good. What are sales like now, McCree? It sold a whole bunch at the beginning, but is it still selling that well (excluding PC)? Is it still the number one selling game? It could have been if it was actually good. Edit: Actually, it is. I gotta admit that surprises me a bit. My statement still stands though. Even more people would be buying it if it was actually good. Edit 2: Okay, I don't know what's going on with VGChartz, but it's only showing September. We knew Destiny 2 dominated September, what's it doing now? Is there a better website to use?
