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Modifié par TheArtist :
1/7/2017 6:45:17 PM
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Cozmo. THIS....is why Primaries have to be buffed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPXbK0Mvmk4
This video was posted today by True Vanguard on his YouTube Channel. It shows EVERYTHING that is wrong in The Crucible with regard to the imbalance between player speed, augmented durability skills...and the killing power of primaries.
In the video, you're seeing the lengths that one of the best players in the game has to go through SIMPLY TO STAND HIS GROUND against a Juggernaut/skating/shotgun Warrior. One who is basically just bum-rushing him from mid-range, (when Vanguard makes his effort to take him out) and making no effort to doge his fire.
This video shows why Bungie will NEVER be able to nerf shotguns enough to fix this problem. Not when a Titan skater can charge at you from the entire length of that back courtyard on Bannerfall...and NONE of the game's primaries can do enough damage to kill him before he reaches shotgun range.
[b] Effectively making a Matador 64 into a mid-range weapon that can dominate what are SUPPOSED to be the game's mid-range weapons. [/b]
The game's primaries are so weak, that the only reliable counter seems to be what are basically TWO special weapons: Pop the shield with a No Land Beyond...and then hose the guy down with a side arm. ....and that's once again, in the hands of one of the game's best snipers.
To those who want to say, "Oh but the game will have a CoD TTK."
This video is showing you that the game ALREADY has a CoD TTK...and that shaving a few feet off of Matadors range....or adding a few frames to its handling won't solve this game's fundamental problems.
Edit:
This video linked on another thread addresses the same DPS problem....but from a different perspective...and reaches the same conclusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzjJGE1hkrk&app=desktop
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Shotguns aren't the problem necessarily. They are in a good place. Abilities used in conjunction with them are kinda OP. Jugg in particular. Also Warlock melee range means you can shotgun from outside of 1 shot range and melee then win shotgun engagements with every other class, excluding other Warlocks as their melee range is the same obviously. They can shotgun, do enough damage that a melee will kill. Other classes can't do it as effectively as their melee range isn't enough. I wouldn't mind seeing the melee get overhauled in Destiny 2. Giving no distinct range advantages for one class over the others. Hurts class individuality but helps balance.
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Wasn't he the pro sniper? Cant he like...pull it n double tap him mid air or just one straight head shot?
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hold up, i thought we're supposed to HATE it when "the top twitch streamer%" tells bungie what to do? and besides, there are ways to counter this strategy, and holding your ground solo isnt it. point is: this isnt an end-all proof of anything, other than how effective a juggernaut rush is against a solitary sentinel (really, this just shows how effective juggernaut is at breaking through enemy fire-lines).
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I dont think its quite as huge a deal as people make it out to be. Usually I run blink so its easy for me to counter, just run at them and blink they get so confused lol. That being said, i have a good idea on how to balance jug rushing without ruining the perk: All that would have to be done is add delay to weapon draw speed to juggernaut. The same way that you cant just BLAM right out of a blink on a warlock or a hunter, you shouldnt be able to shottie spam instantly out of jug rushing. No nerf to duration or effectiveness. That would put it in line with the blink nerfs that made using blink as a warrior strat less effective.
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That video is a "how to" instructional guide. Did you miss that? He demonstrates different strategies for confronting a charging jugg titan. Juggernaut does exactly what it is supposed to do, which is, give it's user extra armor. I don't see how you got to "buff primaries" from there. I think most people would agree that weapons do need another "tuning". Some are pretty darn good while others are pretty darn poopy. Perks are the key though, not necessarily the gun itself.
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Every shotgun besides Matador can only one shot if you're in melee range.
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But really... You should use a SPECIAL weapon (as Bungie named them to be best in special situations) to counter a perk, i.e. a sniper or fusion would take out the shield from range. Then they could easily be eliminated with anything else.
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13 commentairesModifié par user : 1/5/2017 2:26:28 PMWhat is wrong with the crucible. 1. Thunderstrike + shotty = OP. 2. Wombo combo +shotty/last word = OP. 3. Titan skating with jagg = OP. 4. Sticky granades = OP. 5. Skip granades = OP and annoying. 6. Axion bolt + rush with shotty = OP. 7. Ghost bullets = rewards no-thumb people to give them a chance to kill you while you shoot them in the head 10 times. It rewards low skill players. 8. Lag = ruins PvP but Bungie doesn't seem to see any problem here. :) 9. Overshield while reviving should be remove, it rewards dying. It rewards low skill players.
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I agree primaries need buffing.. the reason y1 was fun
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If you are skate mapadoring with noskill shield that tanks GG shots , thats sad
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10 commentairesOverwatch is a great counter to the annoying destiny crucible meta.
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How you been kel?
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I get the point but doesn't take into account simply backing up, using grenades, melee etc. Its not like the jugg warrior can't be seen a mile away...
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God I love Youtubes captioning. Apparently the best counter to a shielded skating titan running at you is a Salad.
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12 commentairesI'm not even concerned about jugg at this point The only problem people are still having in this game imo Is the fact, that you can be shooting someone and none of your shots connect It happens with all the weapons in this game And it's connection connection connection In private matches with your buds who all live near you or not across the atlantic, the sandbox honestly feels completely different as everything works as it should But we'll get another update With more nerfs And in 9 months when D2 is delayed again and again, we'll get more nerfs
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7 commentairesAS A GREAT PHILOSOPHER CONFUCIUS STUPIDEST COMMENTUS ONCE SAID GET GUD SCRUB
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6 commentairesHonestly wouldn't mind seeeing it nerfed to ground though cause other perks in column are good options . I am sick of people hating on titans
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13 commentairesThe best counter is to play something else. I hear Titanfall 2 is pretty fun.
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5 commentairesModifié par evlwarhed : 1/5/2017 1:22:57 PMBasically he was just trying to give people tips on countering jug/ shotty. He also let the jugg get pretty close( to recreate a real situation as best he could) His tips were good primaries just need the nerfs lifted( AS WITH ALL weps, gear, classes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!); I mean, cmon, this game is done, their idea of a good finish is everything opposite what made this game. I paid for it all, and got vanilla. Rest is nothing but bs tweeking that didn't need tweeking. I've been behind the game since start, 1st fps since res evil 1; but I learned( as your supposed to do). Jugg? Doesn't bother me, melee? Nope, OP guns? Nope, getting stomped? Nope. I've learnt to put myself in best option as much as possible. Am I any good? I have my moments, but still learning. What I have learned is that in crucible anyways, the lag/ no dedicated servers is the number one culprit. Blatantly shot through walls, glitchers/switchers everywhere, damage ref bs, equal kid/win loss bs,I could go on. My solution? Fuuk all the nerfs, grow a set of balls bungie, u have made plenty of money off the kiddies parents, and tobthe nerf kiddies, try and grow a set; in an old man and went negative kd( u know what I mean) through the first 8 months of the game. If it wasn't for hawkmoon being the REAL EXOTIC it was supposed to be, would have been worse. I use a zarinaea d AR 99% of the time( telesto special) in banner. The AR handles anything quite frankly. It all comes down to getting the jump/ who is coming at you/ skill to counter. NOT nerfs/ buffs. We keep saying buff, buff; how about just return the game to original wep/gear/class quality, PLZ!!!! All the guns since vanilla were first nerfed( because the factory stats were nerfed already. Restore the original and a lot of guns become viable, PERIOD!! Til we meet on the bannerfield guardians✌️
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Modifié par snoopliam : 1/5/2017 7:52:46 PMJust stop everyone knows by now whats wrong with the game
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6 commentairesRemove thousand yard stare from the game and then there shall be balance
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Modifié par Vegan Superhero : 1/5/2017 1:57:49 PMI gave up on crucible months ago. I dont even care anymore. Theres no point trying to play that garbage in the state its in. If I want to play multi-player I'll play battlefield because in that game, win or lose I'm atleast having fun.
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Play some Overwatch.
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I find lightningnades far more annoying.
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2 commentairesI seem to kill jugg rushers pretty easily idk might have just got used to it with the shotgun meta still i suppose its op?
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Nerf shotguns. Buff Tripmines. Either make them stick to Guardians or do more damage. Why did they even take the sticky ability off anyway? They're a lot harder to land than magnetic grenades etc! And they don't one hit kill anymore....
