This game turned into a complete joke, it's very depressing

Problem with trials was that Bungie piledrived it in year two. Year one trials with good pve/pvp rewards at the lighthouse and pure connection based matchmaking was the perfect amount of challenge to reward. Scorecard based matchmaking puts too much of an artifical bottleneck at 7+ wins for rewards that are frankly lacking. Passive last resort and a black skin aren't going to entice pve players like say, elemental primaries with excellent perks and great pve/pvp crossover. This cuts the player base pretty much in half. Scorecard based matchmaking widens the skill gap incredibly as it makes the last three games a nightmare. So that halves pvp players since the casuals really don't have a snowball's chance in hell anymore unless they play the twitch raffle/""donate"" for a carry bullshit that plagues trials now. So we went from a game mode that had something for everyone at the lighthouse and a fair matchmaking system in place that was a lot less sweaty because of the number of casual pvpers and pve players to a game mode where everyone is freaking out about chess scores and throwing money at two bit twitch streamers for a carry. And before you say skill based matchmaking you'd have to change the rules to get to the lighthouse because if you truly have skill based matchmaking you'll automatically have around a 50% win rate, meaning going to the lighthouse would be the same as flipping a coin and hoping for seven heads before two tails. The only solution that makes sense is to revert to year one settings and figure out how to entice pve focused players again.

No the real issue is elimination should have level advantage enabled

I still think it's dumb to have radar, both in Trials and in regular Crucible. What's competitive in knowing the incoming direction of the enemy threat?

Load of shit. Can't believe I wasted my time reading this

The problem is that you are not good enough to make it to the lighthouse.

*reads thread* *laughs* *leaves* this is how you all should handle this OP

Get rid of supers. Primary only elimination.

I think carriers are the main problem lol

Hell to the No. Osiris is only fun because its elimination with risk. If you want to win try better communication and keep the revives down. But it would be hella sick to se a great value brand of osiris with skirmish instead of elimination lmao.

I believe the biggest problem with ToO is that it's too late for newer players to have a shot. ToO is primarily filled with Trial-hards that have been doing it every weekend since Day 1 (figuratively, of course). This creates a gap in skill that simply cannot be closed. I'm a decent PvP player (though admittedly, I could be better, and work towards that every day), but I stand virtually no chance in Trials against players like the ones I've described. And here's the real clincher: there's no REAL opportunity for improvement. How do you get better by spawning and (almost) instantly dying against a team miles ahead of you, not just in PvP skill, but particularly in ToO skill and experience? The answer: You don't. You can't. All you can do is die. And learn nothing. Gain nothing. Improve nothing. My thoughts on this (and the corresponding suggestions) are as follows: Tier-based matchmaking, which already fits the theme of the tier-based rewards/bounties. The game should be able to keep stock of your Trials stats specifically for this purpose. And those stats would be indicative of your ToO skill level, and therefore your placement in the matchmaking. Gold Tier: Experienced, skilled Trial-hards. Teams of 3 members who ALL fit this criteria are the obvious fit, but I would submit that carrying teams with 2:1 ratio (of 2 Trial-hard carriers & 1 person being carried, respectively) also belong here. Some will likely disagree, but probably out of saltiness more than anything. Suck it up, buttercup. Silver Tier: Intermediate players/teams. Those who can crush noobs, but still stand little chance against the elite. Here would also belong the 1:2 carry teams (1 Trial-hard carrying 2 lesser skilled players). Again, it's easily the fairest statistical placement. Bronze Tier: Newer and/or less skilled players. Here they could be pitted against others of their kind, in [i]TRUE[/i] SBMM. They would be able to [i]actually[/i] improve their skills, and as they do so, be able to move up to the next Tier. The most likely complaints would be from some of the suggested Gold Tier players, who would resent having to play a fair game against other equally skilled Guardians vs being able to just curbstomp ToO noobs nonstop for an easy Lighthouse trip. Regardless, I know that my opinion carries no real meaning. Some of you may like my idea, agree with me, etc. Some of you will probably hate it. Either way, Bungie will never even read it. Or if they do, they'll have dismissed and forgotten it as soon as they've finished the last sentence. It's a shame. I'd love to be able to do Trials. I'd love to be able to get better at it. But getting my face kicked in over and over by Trial-hards is no way to accomplish that, and leaves no room to gain any experience, skill, or improvement.

I have no problem with the game type and the play style ToO promotes. For some players it's a fun game. The problem is with the ultra-competitive nature and the high level rewards of ToO have created a type of player and an economy that is cancerous to the rest of the community. I won't go into detail, but I think Trials ruined PvP by allowing the streamers to dictate the direction of the herd and force Bungie to react to a very small number of players -thus ruining the game for the rest of the player base.

Different game modes allow for different flows of game play.

Personally i think the elimination game type itself is a great way to improve as a player You are forced to learn from your mistakes "i got sniped on that round, but i know that my opponent is gonna do it again thus i'm gonna change my stratgey and approach him from another side of the map" And sure enough this works 80% of the time