Snipers, and all specials, are doing their job to kill a target fast... they are just doing it too often. Bungie described special weapons as "in the moment" weapons, situational, but somehow that "in the moment" can last the entire crucible match. Some people even being able to get 23 kills, all special weapon kills. You need a lot of ammo to use these specials so frequently and the ammo is not hard to get at all. [quote]Kevin: At the highest level, we had a few goals in mind: Make Special ammo a more [b]precious[/b] resource in Crucible[/quote] It doesn't feel precious at all, there is nothing special about my special weapon when I can use it as a primary. Strange thing is that heavy weapons are so much more powerful than specials yet not that many people complain about them being OP. Why would they be considered to be less OP than specials? Could it be that have a hard time hitting the target? No. Could it be that they are ineffective? No. Or could it be that their ammo is very limited? You don't see heavies that much so hardly anyone complains about them being OP and broken. Power that has been limited for balance. Yet specials, which are "in the moment" weapons do not have such a limitation, and without limitations the cries of "OP" follow. Imagine if heavies were not limited and they could be picked up as often as specials, the mindset of this community doesn't understand limitations so instead of returning it to the level we know now, everyone would demand that the power of these weapons get nerfed into oblivion, which would hurt them in pve. And that is what is happening to snipers now, instead of limitations, people are making demands to break the weapon that would also harm it in pve. Limitations can balance Power without breaking it. Bungie has shown that they can limit special ammo in pvp without it effecting pve, they did it because they didn't want people using specials as primaries, yet we still do today. People will say, "that's because limiting it didn't work," I say that if I can still get enough ammo in my sniper to use as my primary for the whole match, then it wasn't limited [i]enough[/i].

Snipers are easy. Shotguns were easy. TLW/Thorn were easy too. I suggest you to follow the meta and have fun, since in a game like this, you have to take advantage from what really gives you one: Sunsinger with doctrine and 100k stare : youll find your self burning an entire team and clean up shooting only when necessary. PS: I play(and always played) as an Hunter. Yes, ive blink-shotty when it was effective. Yes, i do body-snipe and primary clean. No reason for not doing it... Your choice. Complain on it on forums, or start using it and see the results.

How about instead of nerfing snipers (don't forget it will hurt pve too) we buff the affective range of scouts and pulses so they can flinch snipers better

The sniping should be like it is in cod

I don't have a problem getting sniped when I walk into a sniper lane, or having a battle across a map. My issue is the guy who head shots me scoped from 10 feet away. There is no way ever that that should happen. Snipers don't work that way. Zoom is zoom. From 10 feet unless you have the luck of the gods you shouldn't be able to look down a scope and move it to shoot anyone. I don't know how you fix this but it pisses me off every time it happens.

The only way to fix this is add sway when zooming in. But is a game. Follow the meta or get destroyed

Not overpowered, just better than everything that got nerfed. Why use a fusion or shotgun when you can get a one hit head shot from any range.

A lot of people are suggesting huge nerfs to sniper rifles, and while i agree as a sniper myself that they are slightly overpowered in the current meta, I do not agree with the idea of nerfing them into the ground. What we need are a few things to really balance snipers. 1: Stow/ready times and ads times increased marginally. The sniper rifle is the patient man's weapon, and should reflect and reward calculated thought, not rushed action. 2: Sniper kick from firing and recoil from incoming fire should not auto recenter, or not auto recenter as fast. This rewards the headshot, while making it difficult to get the body shot, but leaving the double body shot truly possible to the highly skilled. 3: Leave AA as is. With the change in number 2, it will be necessary for recentering the target. 4: Increase the benefits of unflinching. With the changes to 2 and 3, unflinching should allow for a closer range engagement and a more run & gun playstyle. Guerilla fighter will also probably see more use with these changes. Reasoning for these changes: with the current primary time to kill meta hovering between .9 and 1.1 seconds, sniper rifles can double body shot before even the fastest primaries (TLW, NLB, and UR excluded) can kill you. This means that the meta rewards a lack of accuracy almost as much as a headshot. These changes would allow for the current primary meta, while still allowing snipers to be a good precision weapon. Right now snipers occupy all ranges in the meta, leaving little room for competition even from shotguns and fusion rifles, and that needs to change. Sniper rifles need to be pushed back into their correct range (NLB excluded). If this happens without an overkill nerf, the only weapon types not viable in the meta would be high impact pulse rifles, minimum impact hand cannons (because their effective range is shotgun range), and arguably high impact auto rifles. This means we would have the most open weapon meta in destiny history, leaving Bungie free to tweak those three weapon archetypes and the subclasses minutely to free up even more options.

They're less broken than shotguns were in their prime. By a lot

The only issue I have with snipers is that they don't seem to flinch enough when you shoot them, seriously how are people able to snipe me while my bullets are hitting them? It's ridiculous.

Agree...I like using a good gun in PVP but just outright refuse to use some guns including snipers till their fixed, some things are a bit broken and if you know it and use them then the win really isn't a win. I pretty much play with Gunsmith weapons or even Blue weapons now, 90% Primary only and have a ball playing...and if I win, then I know I won, not some broken bit of programming. Get Gud??? Go play an hour with some Blues and then say that.

All snipers should be bolt action snipers.

If you think sniping is broken in this game. Try CS:GO Snipers there are a one-hit kill no matter where you hit it. Then you'll appreciate the needed skill for snipers in Destiny