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Modifié par Ezimatana :
8/30/2015 11:19:41 PM
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Why pre-ordering makes your game worse
[b]I ONLY RESPOND TO PEOPLE WHO READ THE TOPIC ENTIRELY. IT'S VERY OBVIOUS IF YOU READ THE TOPIC. DON'T BE STUPID.
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All around the forums I see
"oooh look at me, I just paid off my TTK preorder! Cheer me on yesss"
Good job, you are part of the collective action which makes games worse for the rest of us.
By pre-ordering, you're giving a company more and more money without even playing anything. You basically are putting down $40, telling Bungie, "I don't care what I get", and letting them know you have faith in whatever they release.
Every company is a company, and let's be honest Destiny is a 6/10 game. Bungie is the type of company to abuse your faith in them, make a 6/10 experience for your preorder because at the end of the day it's more profitable to cut content and production costs on a game they've already secured millions of pre-orders on. They don't need to care about how good a DLC is if they've already enough money off pre-orders and day one buys. In fact, it's more profitable to simply release some low quality 6/10 disgrace for $40 as long as there's enough idiots (and this forum is FILLED with em') to pledge money before they even play anything.
Just my 2 cents why you people shouldn't be happy about pre-ordering. When you realize how you own a 6/10 game which had several areas of the game cut out pre-release and some areas you're playin right now had been created by E3 June 2013 then you'll truly see how they abuse your faith in pre-orders and that's why you're actually willing to pay $40 on a single raid, a couple strikes, around 5-10 story missions and a new armor of weapons which many of you already see as backpedaling your hard work. There are more quality of life changes coming to the game, which I agree with and welcome that change... Although most things, even as simple as a quest tab... Should've already been there imho.
Although.. One last note. And this will separate who actually reads the thread.If you read the topic maybe put xoxo at the end of your topic. If you enjoy Destiny, then go ahead and pre-order, hope your faith also invests well and you enjoy the upcoming also. I can't say if you enjoy Destiny then you shouldn't pre-order it, because I guess you should.
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As right as this is, unfortunately everyone's still gonna preorder.
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Modifié par SkeletalSkeletor : 8/31/2015 4:21:06 PMI'm not saying that your wrong, but some of those points are incorrect... But I generally agree with you. Except I still willing pre-order if A. It's a widely respected developer or B. The pre order bonuses show that you were a day 0 supporter of said game Xoxo
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Yup, preordering is pretty dumb...
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I've wasted $60 on many games that were far less entertaining and lasted only 3 weeks. $40 for something that I'll undoubtedly put hundreds of hours into is worth it to me. Dat palpatine doe! [quote]xoxo[/quote]
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One thing I'd like to add...don't forget that Activision is a publicly traded company on the NYSE. They report to shareholders on a quarterly basis and being able to accurately predict earnings and profit per share are key elements that drive how the company does business. So in this example if everyone and their brother preorders the game Activision has concrete evidence of future sales, allowing them to forecast more accurately and aggressively over the short/near term. This will embolden them to increase/improve their business model so next quarter they can forecast even better, accurate results. Preordering is a dream for companies like Activision as it allows them to create and market in the best interest of their bottom line rather than produce a great product that consumers will want to buy. Why spend more time and money developing something when they've already collected a certain percentage of the sales.
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36 commentairesModifié par Fur Hammerlock : 8/31/2015 10:52:27 AMOkay, xoxo I have a few things to point out and refute here; [b]They Can Just Cut Anything Prior to Release, it's Most Profitable[/b]: This doesn't make sense, at all. You're suggesting that - after already spending lots of man-hours making content to be released in an Expansion - they just cut it out because, ya' know. Why not? This doesn't make sense, nor is it a plausible theory. In fact, all of the 'Disc Locked Content' or 'Cut Content' theories haven't been plausible in any way, it's been debunked on several occasions that nowhere near all of the future content from Vanilla onwards has been on the disc, save a few locations. That's it. Activision also makes no profit / doesn't make their cut until after The Taken King releases - and even then Activision only receives money to pay the ''Bill'' for their providing of Servers for Destiny. As for your whole rhetorical statement, that many others have stated... thousands of times - No. No areas were "Cut and released later" in Destiny, at all. You sound like you're decently intelligent, so you of [i]all people[/i] should know that when it comes to Marketing and Design within a game, neither sides are ever on the same page. Not to mention there is so much going on internally of a Game Developing Company that we can't even fathom about. Such as split work forces over ideas, arguments, constant back-and-forths on certain story aspects, maps, worlds, guns - hell - [b]everything![/b] But, that's all people like you have ever done to Bungie and Destiny since it released. They've been completely honest about mistakes they've made in the past, and some of the things that happened internally before Destiny released. Save for the whole thing with Statin - as that information isn't being withheld on purpose, you see - when you "fire" someone in a company, or they quit - that company isn't legally allowed to disclose any information on why that person did what they did without their consent. They can't even tell it to other employees most of the time, it's called HIPAA. While I will agree, that Bungie hasn't been as transparent as they could be - remember that transparency, in a company that big with Activision as it's publisher has to go through a lot of Chain of Command to approve certain details to be released prior to actual launch of whatever it is. You know what Bungie has done though? They've listened to the community, as toxic as it is, and implemented/changed a lot of things the Community asked for directly. Tumbler Sparrow - Yup, idea and overall aesthetic created by members of the Community. Same goes for all the Crucible and PvE balance changes, strike changes, bug fixes etc. etc. - while complaining and pointing out major flaws is necessary for a game like this to evolve and thrive, people need to learn to do these things without blaming the Company and making them out to be a bunch of evil jackasses laughing to the bank. They are people too, they have families - they care about the game they made and play, and they want to see it improve and evolve in to what they and we envisioned it to be to begin with. [b]Edit:[/b] Oh, and for your "You're paying $40 for a Raid, 5 Story Missions and some new weapons/armour." No, we're not. We're paying $40 for: -A [i]Massive[/i] Raid -3 New Strikes with Raid-lite Mechanics -4 Overhauled Old Strikes, with new Mechanics and Approaches -New Ghost Voice + Overhauled Old Story Missons incorporated with Quests. -New Enemy Race with Different Looks, Mechanics and AI -8 New Story Questlines (Each line contains various Missions/Bounties/Quests.) -3 New Subclasses -New Weapon Type (Sword) -More Weapons & Armour than All of Year One combined -Ghost Shells -Relics -New Faction(s) Mechanics -New Patrol/Explorable Area -New Public Events + Player-created Public Events -New & Revamped Iron Banner & Trials of Osiris Events -Vault Space Doubled -Emblem, Shader & Exotic Databases - enabling us to retrieve things we've earned, forever. (No more grinding if deleted, lost.) -New Vault of Glass Questline (and potentially difficulty, tbd) -New Crota's End Questline (and potentially difficulty, tbd) -Two New Crucible Game Modes -Five New Crucible Maps ^All of this, plus everything we [i]haven't seen[/i].
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I must be reading the wrong forums cuz all I see is why I'm not buying it lol
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Dunno. Pre-ordering is making [i]my[/i] game better, because that suros shader is sexy.
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I did the pre-order. No matter what anyone says, I enjoy the game and I have 40 bucks. I am excited for the new content. This game has gotten better with each expansion/dlc.
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Xoxo gossip girl. Had too
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i have, in the past, waited for a month or so to get a game after its release. Waited till i saw reviews and so forth. Then get the game and finish it in one sitting. or by the end of 3 days. or it was a very bad game, Felt like i was ripped off paying $60 bucks for it. I have also pre-ordered games where i loved the game and still play them to this day. so to your point. Just because someone pre-orders a game, doesn't automatically make that game bad and make the developers be half asses about making the game and not care about its contents. that type of thinking is utter rubbish. because developers are going to make their money if people pre-order or not. You will never, ever make the entire gaming community stop pre-ordering games. never going to happen. If someone has been waiting years for a particular game to release, they arent going to wait till release day, they are going to make sure they get it, and pay early for it. its been happening for decades now and it will never end. if you dont like the practice, by all means, dont do it, that is your choice. more power to ya. xoxo :)
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I don't care what I'm getting honestly
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Pre-ordering originated when games were supply-constrained and therefore scarce at launch day. Hype in the 90s meant you actually could get a copy of a game day one instead of having to wait several more days for another shipment. This day and age, reasons for pre-ordering are thin, and people shouldn't do it. It's better to wait for reviews and feedback, to make sure the game is what you were expecting.
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No worries we'll know which tiger stripped guardians to avoid Also those new dance moves ain't got nothin on my titan's robot I may be taking a 12 month break then buy a Xbox 1 and a package deal that includes 3 pieces of content for 1/2 the cost of what everyone else paid ... Xoxo
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I agree. In fact, this is the first year I haven't preordered Assassins Creed, because of how terribly broken Unity was last year. I'm not going to give anyone my money until I'm confident that the product I'm buying is worth of a high quality. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" Xoxo gossip girl
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F that XOXO crap....lol. Anyway, I don't think the pre-orders affect anything. The DLC will be made with or without my $40. People who love this game will spend the $40 and not complain. People who complain about the game (like the OP) will spend the $40 as well. I think most people pre-order DLCs for the bonuses.
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I only pre-order when I would have bought the game day one anyways and I get something out of it. Aka bonuses. Example, I have not preordered Star wars Battlefront not because I don't want to play it day one, but because there is no added benefit to my preorder other then ensuring to set aside funds for it now.
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Modifié par Mister Nice Guy : 8/31/2015 3:17:37 PM[quote]They don't need to care about how good a DLC is if they've already enough money off pre-orders and day one buys. [/quote]Sounds like what they did with TDB and HoW while putting effort on TTK in the background. Inevitably, though, if you enjoy a company and its products, you will pre-order. If this was a CCP game, it would take a lot on their part for me to NOT pre-order something. [spoiler]Though not my cup of tea, I have to admit they did a stellar job with EVE--I've been waiting on them to explore a different genre for a while, and was ready to jump on the WoD wagon when the project was in the works. Ripping off customers works in the short term, but in the long term, you could have more loyal customers than the few always-preorder fanboys -- doesn't take a genius company to know that. They're just lucky there isn't much to compete with them right now on PS4 in terms of current-gen scifi (aka not warfare) shooter multiplayer. They'll get better once the new 2016 titles start releasing.[/spoiler]
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2 commentairesModifié par Dragn : 8/31/2015 2:35:11 PMI pre ordered. I think something seriously went wrong before the release of Destiny. I imagine the financial ppl told they to push the game anyway. Right or wrong a decision was made and now it's up to the individual consumer to decide whether or not to continue to invest in Destiny. Obviously selling a DLC for $40, Activision is pretty confident. Xoxo
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6 commentairesModifié par No Thoughts : 8/31/2015 3:05:01 PMIT MUST BE REALLY HARD TO BE THIS -blam!-ING STUPID
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I absolutely agree with you
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Same. Im waiting it out since i have friends who play the game constantly. xoxo.
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My only issue is which one to pre-order , collectors edition or legendary. 1st world ish Xoxo
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All to their own I guess. I've wasted my money on other games that people have given 10/10, only out find the game was garbage when I played it. I enjoy the current game and each of it's releases thus far. I've put more hours into this game than I've put into subscription based games, and I've had way more fun too.This is why i've preordered. xoxo
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Did you complain about Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls expansion? Because it's one chapter, one class and some new gears and that's it. For $40. Destiny is a 6/10 game [b]in your opinion[/b], it might be a 10/10 to some people because everyone have their preference. If you are unable to understand simple logic such as this, please see yourself out and don't even try to debate or tell other people what to do with their money. Do you have any idea how many developers cut content from their games due to time constraints or simply because things wasn't working out for them? Do you know everyone out there are toiling away to create content and help the their company earn money, so they can remain in their jobs to provide for their families? You think they did all these to screw the consumers and try to gather as much hatred as possible? You behave exactly like a pouty child.
