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Modifié par TheSpaceGeneral :
7/27/2015 4:17:25 AM
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Explain to me how the Playstation exclusives aren't immoral
I think the Playstation exclusives are wrong.
Here's my thesis:
[b]Exclusives within a video game (that do not exist as DLC) aren't okay. If everyone pays the same amount of money for a video game, everyone should get the same video game. [/b]
Provide me with a good counter argument as to why my argument and [i]opinion[/i] aren't as good as yours.
Rule: This is all about opinions. Opinions, fundamentally, cannot be wrong.
So, imagine Walmart pays for an exclusive product. I want that product, but I regularly shop at Target. I can drive down to Walmart and buy that exclusive product.
However, say I play Playstation. I see that the Witcher 3 exclusive stuff is only on Xbox One. I want that stuff. I can't drive down to Xbox One and grab it. I have to pay 500 dollars so I can buy exclusive stuff. It doesn't make me want to switch, it makes me bitter at the gaming industries for thinking that this is okay and a good marketing strategy.
Nintendo does it all the time, and it nearly bit them in the butt. If, say Halo, is only on one console, 50% of gamers are going to have access to play it (let's skip PC here). It's going to be able to reach only 50% of a potential audience.
Did Playstation players pay more than Xbox players? No? Then, why should they be entitled to more stuff? This seems almost like internet age segregation, with one group of people being treated with priority over another, who have an equal right to priority. It almost seems... illegal, and immoral at the very least.
The only winners with exclusivity are the corporations. The developers don't win, and the gamers don't win.
[b]This is my Ultimate Metaphor:[/b]
Say you play an RPG. Four classes: Ranger, Mage, Knight, Spoony Bard. You chose Mage. (Mage and Ranger equal Microsoft). You run a long side quest, like the Gauldr amulet in Skyrim. You get to the end and you get an awesome... sword, which only Paladin's and Bards (both Sony) can use. That sword is the exclusive content. You have it (Xbox editions have the content disclocked. That is a fact), but you can't use it. You could have used it, if, hundreds of hours ago you made a different choice, but you can't make that choice now. So, you'd be angry about that. Now imagine your time was money. You spent the same amount of money/time as Paladins and Bards, and you didn't get anything. You'd be mad in the game, and you'd call it robbery in real life.
That's what the exclusives are. A sword for paladins.
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Morality has zero connection with business
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I think console exclusives are dumb, but it is business.
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Opinions can definitely be wrong. Your opinion that opinions can't be wrong is definitely wrong. Also, for the record: Mass Effect 2 was released Jan 2010 for the 360. Released Jan 2011 for the PS3. Microsoft paid for an exclusive deal with Bioware and then Sony worked out a deal with Bioware to receive a later distribution. It's just business. You want to blame someone, blame Microsoft for not buying the exclusive rights. If all games were available on all platforms, there would be basically no reason to buy one over the other.
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[quote]If everyone pays the same amount of money for a video game, everyone should get the same video game.[/quote] Sony paid more than Microsoft. End discussion. [spoiler]In case anyone wants to retort: I play on Xbox, I just understand how the world works and am not gonna complain about something that doesn't really make that much difference[/spoiler]
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You are getting the exact same amount of content as PlayStation. Merely later on. Fwiw Microsoft STARTED this whole exclusive stuff back in the day. Now Sony is finally pulling out the stops to get much more exclusive content xbox kids are moaning. All those years of xbox kids saying "haha we get xyz exclusive content" well now who's laughing?
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15 commentairesModifié par Arkryder52 : 7/27/2015 5:08:26 PMThe problem is your metaphor is wrong. You did pay the same amount for the game and its content this is true. The problem is the exclusive content that you say you payed for you actually didn't. Neither did the Playstation users. Both payed for the same game. The exclusives were payed for by Sony. So it would be more like. I purchased a burger for 5.50. The guy behind the counter is my friend. So he throws a piece of cheese on it and pays for it. The guy behind me gets the same burger. But there is no cheese on it. And thinks he has been ripped off, but really. He payed for the same toppings I did. Somebody else just payed for my cheese. And that is the difference between how you are looking at it, and how it actually is.
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Money. What other reason do you need? It's a business.
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As an xboxer, here's my explanation: Sony bought off bungeivision. So they got exclusives early.
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Because reasons
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Boring!!
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Well you see[spoiler]money[/spoiler]
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5 commentairesso then you agree, because i would pay for Halo, Halo should be on PS as well right?
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1 commentaire>Implying corporations have morals
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2 commentairesHahaha hahaha your bold statement made me LOL. Life isn't fair bub get over it.
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Playstation (Sony) paid more that's why now calm your tits
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Not much of a thesis.
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2 commentairesThese are really standard business tactics. Video games as an industry aren't really pulling in the crowds like they were at the end of the nineties and any opportunity to get a leg up on the competition is worth a shot. The model to make money has changed dramatically. When I was a kid I had nes like most kids. Games in the late 80's were clocking in at $50 more or less. Now that same $50 is worth a LOT more with inflation and all. So the reality was that super Mario brothers 2 was MORE expensive than buying destiny outright. Now think that a studio like bungie is some 500 people that are professionals, meaning that's their job, those 500 people are looking to bungie and destiny to pay their bills and feed the kids. The profit margins went down quite a bit. The cost of making the product have gone up, and the real initial price sort of went down in a gold standard type of way. Designing consoles is even less of a profit margin with the cost of goods sold sometimes hitting 50% of total price tag. Sony and Microsoft have to fight to get our business. Exclusives are a great way to get a consumer on the fence about what console to purchase to choose your console. I went with a ps4, but I wish I had some halo or gears of war to play, on the other hand last of us is dope, street fighter five has me excited and the destiny exclusives mattered to me so I chose play station. There's a huge multi-billion dollar industry here and those guys are really fighting it out at the moment.
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You don't know what immoral means.
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You're right in every way. Console wars in general are a terrible thing but in a competitive industry it's unfortunately like that. My only contention is the way Bungie works exclusives. It's so damn stupid. COD had exclusives for Xbox in which PS players would not be able to buy it for a month, however, once it did arrive -- they would get the full content of the DLC. So my question is, why are we paying the same for less content? And no, I am not mad and honestly do not care. However, it is a valid question to ask yourself considering it's a $30 game and $40-60 elsewhere.
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It's not bungies fault if that's what your saying it's because Sony was willing to pay a bit of extra money for them but Microsoft was too cheap to pay a bit for a better player base
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Did playstation players play more than xbox players? No, but Sony paid more than Microsoft so their players would have more, not to forget Sony advertised the hell out of it in the process. Is it fair? No but it's how business is, every gamer has missed out on a game or a franchise because of it at some point.
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Plus why are you complaining anyway? You'll get the exclusives on xbox soon anyway.
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Sony paid bungievison. With Activision making a video game, you can have whatever you want as long as you pay cash.
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I have to agree with the ps players here and I am xbox. Your whole post is based off the flawed logic that Bungie is purposely favoring PS players, when in fact the exclusive content was purchased by Sony for it's customers in a business agreement with Activision. You could direct your complaints to them if it made you feel better, but you are literally telling a Fortune 500 company they should make less money because you feel it's not fair.
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2 commentairesModifié par Soul_Eater_42 : 7/27/2015 4:27:31 PMIt seems you understand nothing. This is strictly business. Sony paid Activision for those exclusives, Microsoft didn't. Not only that, they're timed exclusives. The contract gives them the exclusives for a year, after that, they're available for Xbox. It's not that your paying for less, but rather, you're getting a small, unimportant part of the game much later. None of the exclusives are really even worth it besides Hawkmoon. It is ridiculous that it's a year long exclusive, but nothing can be done about it.
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5 commentairesWith this theory, the entire Halo series is "immoral". Along with God of War, Forza, Uncharted, etc........ [spoiler]some shit is exclusive[/spoiler] [spoiler]get over it[/spoiler]
