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Explain to me how the Playstation exclusives aren't immoral

I think the Playstation exclusives are wrong. Here's my thesis: [b]Exclusives within a video game (that do not exist as DLC) aren't okay. If everyone pays the same amount of money for a video game, everyone should get the same video game. [/b] Provide me with a good counter argument as to why my argument and [i]opinion[/i] aren't as good as yours. Rule: This is all about opinions. Opinions, fundamentally, cannot be wrong. So, imagine Walmart pays for an exclusive product. I want that product, but I regularly shop at Target. I can drive down to Walmart and buy that exclusive product. However, say I play Playstation. I see that the Witcher 3 exclusive stuff is only on Xbox One. I want that stuff. I can't drive down to Xbox One and grab it. I have to pay 500 dollars so I can buy exclusive stuff. It doesn't make me want to switch, it makes me bitter at the gaming industries for thinking that this is okay and a good marketing strategy. Nintendo does it all the time, and it nearly bit them in the butt. If, say Halo, is only on one console, 50% of gamers are going to have access to play it (let's skip PC here). It's going to be able to reach only 50% of a potential audience. Did Playstation players pay more than Xbox players? No? Then, why should they be entitled to more stuff? This seems almost like internet age segregation, with one group of people being treated with priority over another, who have an equal right to priority. It almost seems... illegal, and immoral at the very least. The only winners with exclusivity are the corporations. The developers don't win, and the gamers don't win. [b]This is my Ultimate Metaphor:[/b] Say you play an RPG. Four classes: Ranger, Mage, Knight, Spoony Bard. You chose Mage. (Mage and Ranger equal Microsoft). You run a long side quest, like the Gauldr amulet in Skyrim. You get to the end and you get an awesome... sword, which only Paladin's and Bards (both Sony) can use. That sword is the exclusive content. You have it (Xbox editions have the content disclocked. That is a fact), but you can't use it. You could have used it, if, hundreds of hours ago you made a different choice, but you can't make that choice now. So, you'd be angry about that. Now imagine your time was money. You spent the same amount of money/time as Paladins and Bards, and you didn't get anything. You'd be mad in the game, and you'd call it robbery in real life. That's what the exclusives are. A sword for paladins.

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  • You forgot to put "Satire" in your post. [quote]Say you play an RPG. Four classes: Ranger, Mage, Knight, Spoony Bard. You chose Mage. (Mage and Ranger equal Microsoft). You run a long side quest, like the Gauldr amulet in Skyrim. You get to the end and you get an awesome... sword, which only Paladin's and Bards (both Sony) can use. That sword is the exclusive content. You have it (Xbox editions have the content disclocked. That is a fact), but you can't use it. You could have used it, if, hundreds of hours ago you made a different choice, but you can't make that choice now. So, you'd be angry about that. Now imagine your time was money. You spent the same amount of money/time as Paladins and Bards, and you didn't get anything. You'd be mad in the game, and you'd call it robbery in real life. That's what the exclusives are. A sword for paladins. [/quote] The -blam!- you smoking child? You need an adult.

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  • If you choose wrong there are consequences.if you stay up all night and have to work the next day you will be tired at work...if you choose Xbox you will wait for exclusives

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  • It's capitalism, bro. It's like an eBay bid. Whoever pays more get the exclusives. Sony paid more. Maybe MS didn't care to pay at all. Either way, he who pays gets it

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    • People also complain about: -Thorn in crucibleible -Gjallarhorn in crucible -Not having Gjallarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -No trading system -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times -Trying to send an invite to someone with an extremely long/crazy "xXSo0purxC0o1kiDXx"(made up Lol) after posting an LFG -When you post on LFG, " Send message in game to xXSo0purxC0o1liDXx for invite and they reply to your post on the forums instead -Blues from legendary engrams, shards and energies from legendary engramarhorn -Suros being overpowered -Suros needing a re-buff -Vex being overpowered -Vex needing a re-buff -Fist of Havoc -Scorch Melee -Bladedancer -Golden Gun -Voidwalkers super -Titan's grenades -Helm of Saint-14 & Bubble combo -Warlocks fusion grenades -Any grenade that existed rather -Felwinters lie -Shotguns in general -Crota being broken -No vault space -Rockets in crucible -Lmgs in crucible -Heavy ammo being too constant in crucible -Heavy ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too few in crucible -Special ammo being too plenty in crucible -Bloom in crucible -Camping in crucible -Others being better than them in crucible -Others being worse than them in crucible -AFK-ers (granted that's worth a complaint) -The loot system -Getting a really good weapon meanwhile they wanted a No Land Beyond because it's the only exotic they need. -No Land Beyond being the worst weapon ever. -When killed by No Land Beyond they complain -Going invisible as a hunter in general -Blink jumping as hunter/warlock -Blink shotgunning -Titans jumping higher than hunters -Titans not having enough health because they're the tank class. -Warlocks need protection as they self-res -There not being bumpers on the edges of crucible maps because they walk off too often -Snipers in crucible -The Last Word being overpowered in crucible -Red Death being overpowered in crucible -Stranger's rifle being too overpowered in crucible -Any pulse rifle in crucible being too overpowered -Xur selling something good -Xur selling something bad -Xurning vs Earning -Nechrochasm needing a buff -Auto Rifles needing a nerf -Auto rifles needing a buff -Thorn's exotic bounty being too hard to try and work towards -Master Rahool not giving them everything they ever wanted in life -Eris in general -Kill target public events being too hard -Heavy ammo glitch being used at crota -Heavy ammo glitch not being used at crota -Map rotation -Iron Banner armor being lvl 32 even though they never do it because it requires much more time and effort and skill to get compared to a raid. -Nightfall rewards being terrible -Complain about the modifiers in the Nightfalls making the nightfall what its supposed to be. A challenge. -Error codes (Yes they are annoying but it is something people complain about so it fits in this list) -Confluxes in Vault of Glass being too hard -Hobgoblins in general -Raid Sparrows not being cool enough to be a raid sparrow -The recruitment section only asking for 32's with gjallarhorn (yes that is a stupid requirement but once again people complain) -Omnigul's strike -Omnigul's scream -Cheating a piece of a raid -Not cheating a piece of a raid -There not being a trading system -Fatebringer being too overpowered in general so it should stay at 300 -Fatebringer needing to be upgraded to 365 -Crucible being stupid in general -Titan Bubbles being overpowered -Shoulder Charge in crucible -No raid being in HoW DLC. -Upon HoW dropping someone else has stated that the new exotic armor sets will cause more complaints as to each character will get buffs and make their class more powerful. -Guardian armor looking the same at lvl 32 (HoW will change all of that yayyy!) -Complaints about people complaining. (I'm not complaining Lol just making a list for people's enjoyment.) -People capturing closest point at the start of a control match. (Occurred a lot on the forums during last Iron Banner) -Orbit taking too long -The younger ages (squeakers as it's called)playing Destiny -No trading system -The apparent 19% of those who've played Destiny on the PlayStation completing a raid -Not having a helmet in tower -Having a helmet in tower (even though it's optional) -Being unable to change a characters appearance after creating their character -Bungie fixing Iron Banner Glitch (buying items at start of Iron Banner) -Bounty for killing 2 targets with a fusion rifle burst 20 times -Trying to send an invite to someone with an extremely long/crazy "xXSo0purxC0o1kiDXx"(made up Lol) after posting an LFG -When you post on LFG, " Send message in game to xXSo0purxC0o1liDXx for invite and they reply to your post on the forums instead -Blues from legendary engrams, shards and energies from legendary engram -PoE 32 is much to hard! -PoE 34 is way to hard! -PoE 35 is insane to hard! -No checkpoints in POE? -Dismantling 365 weapons = motes of lights!? -Etheric light is too rare on pve -Etheric light is too easy for pvp players - PoE helmet before legs is unfair to warlock! -Treasure keys r too rare to get! -Treasure keys after update are too easy to get! -Lvl 34's are too OP in iron banner.[/quote]

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    • Modifié par Philtr0n-PRIME : 7/28/2015 12:21:16 PM
      Your argument ASSUMES Morality has a role in Capitalism.... It doesn't. So in effect opinions CAN be wrong. If the opinion is making assumptions about factual events. You are NOT forming an opinion you are forming an ARGUMENT. Let me spell it out for you: OPINION: Chocolate icecream is superior to Vanilla Icecream. ARGUMENT: Sony doesn't deserve exclusives content before Microsoft. One cannot be proven. that's the opinion. The other can be logically disproved with facts, that's an argument. Company A pays developer large sum of money to help CREATE their game with the promise that their investment will provide exclusive Content to their customer base. Company B shoves their hands up their own ass and becomes a Self propelled Muppet. Developer's game would not exist if Company A had not fronted the investment capital. Company B tries to entertain its customer base with a disgusting puppet show. Investors and Producers get RETURNS on their investments. Microsoft did not invest in this game. Sony did. The end. This is not about morals or gamers entitlement. You CHOSE to become invested in a game largely in part produced by SONY who announced early exclusives since the earliest development phases. Now you're crying about getting things a year behind because you CHOSE to invest in an inferior machine. Deal with it.

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      • When Sony paid extra for the exclusives, it was kind of like they paid for them instead of all their players. Think of a gift. They bought it, we got it for free because they paid our part

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      • It's simple. Playstation paid bungie for exclusives.

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      • Because you have yet to understand life

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        • How is halo being xbox exclusive for 10+ years not immoral?

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        • How many more posts to we really need about the same subject????

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        • Until objective morality is discovered there's no way to determine what counts as 'moral' or 'immoral'; it's simply a matter of preference. You also explained how you can get the exclusives with your walmart/target analogy. Get the other console. Also, opinions can be wrong. One could have the opinion that water isn't wet.

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        • Please shut the -blam!- up

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        • Modifié par Hank Scorpio : 7/28/2015 11:38:58 AM
          Your argument is bad and you should feel bad

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          • I just don't understand, why you can't understand that Sony went to Bungie and gave them a truck lot of cash to make those few exclusive items available before Xbox. Heck , what on earth stops Microsoft from going to Bungie with 2 trucks of cash to make items exclusive to Xbox????

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          • That's how the cookie crumbles

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          • grow up. thats how the world works. u want to avoid it? buy the console that buys exclusive content for ur favorite game next time.

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          • Just let it go. It happened once already with dust palace/hawkmoon, and its going to keep happening. I just moved on.

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            • Your example of Walmart and target are invalid. Why? Cause the exclusive at Walmart brought you (the loyal target consumer) into Walmart to shop. They gained business from you. So yes you can get the PlayStation exclusive, by going to PlayStation and purchasing it there(even though your a loyal Microsoft consumer) you just tried to confuse yourself with the price tag <3

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            • Modifié par Psychedelia : 7/28/2015 12:01:58 AM
              Here's why it isn't immoral... It's a video game created by a company in a capitalist society... The game itself, the deals the companies have with each other, etc.. All morally irrelevant. No one is truly "hurt" by any part of it. I would suggest heavy therapy for anyone who is upset to the point of making this into a debate about morality. Fair? Maybe not, but again, it's their game, not yours. They can do (or not do) whatever they want with it. EDIT: After reading these posts, I wanted to add that repeatedly calling Bungie "jerks" as a whole is incredibly funny. They didn't do it to make you cry, they did it cuz they got paid to. Again, it wasn't a question of morality at all... Damn this was one hell of a stoopid thread,and we are all dumber for reading it.

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              • Here is my counter. Bungie went to Microsoft first and asked "Do you want us to make you extra content not in the original game and pay us money to do so?" MICROSOFT: "No, we don't want to invest in this" Then, bungie proceeded to go to Sony and asked "Do you want us to make you extra content not in the original game and pay us money to do so?" SONY: "Sure, it seems like a great investment" This is how it went! Obviously not like i put it on paper but you get the point. When you bought the game as did we the content ps4 users received weren't guaranteed on the disc or said you'd get it ever.

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              • Shoulda bought a PS4 for destiny :)

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              • Simple, sony payed for it. Money talks.

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              • "Steambox"

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              • You're analogy and examples are -blam!-ing horrible. You need to shut the -blam!- up and stop talking just to be heard. As a playstation user, I strongly disagree with getting exclusive strikes, because in the end it doesn't just screw over Xbox users for a year, it screws over the playstation users as well. Because bungie is -blam!-ing lazy, both consoles share the same map rotation for weekly and nightfall, so that means neither consoles actually get these strikes playable in a way that isn't boring, repetitive and lacking in rewards (vanguard playlists). The dust palace was one of the funnest strikes I played (3 bosses at the end) and have wanted to play it as s nightfall since day one. The undying mind is arguably the hardest and funnest strike available (in comparison to the other strikes), but no one gets to play it at a truly hard difficulty. Strikes as an exclusive for a year is bad for everyone except bungie. -blam!- you bungie. I'm ok with exclusives for 2-4 weeks, it's reasonable. I'm ok with early access exclusives. I'm not ok with this. I'm not ok with Xbox paying the same amount of money as us, and having content withheld for a year. It's bullshit.

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                • It's quite simple really. Corporations are not immoral, they are amoral. [b]Immoral: [/b]not conforming to accepted standards of morality. [b]Amoral: [/b]having no moral standards, restraints, or principles; unaware of or indifferent to questions of right or wrong. They are not concerned with "morality", they are concerned with profitability and increasing shareholder value. It's capitalism 101

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                  • [b]Pro Tip:[i] Life is not fair and has not been fair since the Earth cooled...[/b][/i] Immoral? #adorable

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