Question: If the "most" grouping of gamers you mentioned stay on last gen what will that mean for his flawed arguement?

Beats me friend, lol. In technology such as games, tv, phones, computers, etc., - there are early adopters and then the rest join in granted that the technology works. For example - and this one is very interesting to me personally - HDTV. I was selling $15K Fujitsu Plasma TVs and of course only those with some financial success could afford them. These were the early adopters of that technology. It cost so much because Fujitsu (as any other technology company) has to recoup their R&D costs as well as the fact that in these early stages it was enormously expensive to manufacture. It so difficult because there was a very high failure rate from the production runs so that only a small percentage actually made it to the stores. Once the manufacturing processes became more refined - the failure rate went to the opposite side of the scale. That with the R&D costs at least mostly paid back by the early adopters bought in. Now what remained (as the prices started to come down) was for more sales volume which meant that they needed to make a case for those sales. Obviously, the fact that you could hang the darn thing on a wall and that it was flat was a gigantic start - but they still couldn't sell. Gaming consoles and their buyers and games and their buyers are the ones that HAD to have such sets. Once the 360 and PS3 came out - pow! Like that the sales started to go crazy. My point is that even with Destiny we need to look at a companies investment. If they put $500 million in as I have seen $60 worldwide per the 9.5 million registered players I have seen posted - gets you a $70 million profit. Not bad - but could there be more and should there be more? I am sure that any one of us would choose to continue and make an even better profit if we saw the potential. Now we the consumer can rebel and say we won't buy another game from that company - but that may bite us in the ass. Maybe future investors will say that they have to land a much lower profit margin if they were to invest in gaming rather than another investment. I believe I made my point on that and that any interested reader will understand it. We all have a right to tell Bungie we have issues. In fact Bungie promotes this behavior by giving us the forums to say such things. They are also responding with patches. Maybe we don't all like what they give in entirety - but we still must agree that they are doing something. What I am getting at is that while we SHOULD voice our opinions on these forums - crying like this is the end of the world or that threatening not to buy another Bungie game including Destiny 2 in the future can be counter productive. I just want the game franchise to last 10 years and that I hopefully stay alive and healthy enough to play it through to the end. I enjoy it even with its warts. My hope is that the game will improve. My co worker Mike who is an XBox1 Destiny owner hasn't played it since he turned lvl 25 on only one character. He is an very experienced multi player and sold me on the game but is not playing. BUT, he expresses that he will pick up the game later on as he truly believes that his experience with gaming in general and Bungie in particular will improve this game over time and make it very enjoyable to the folk out there that are NOT happy with it now. I agree but where I disagree is in the not playing now part. I love the look, feel and sound of Destiny SO much - I am addicted to it and to my growing roster. My hope is that some of those that read my words will see that I am a humble 54 year old man in Staten Island that loves people and loves having fun and laughs and just wants to join up and blast away together until the Destiny franchise is over with not less than 10 years from now may God and/or you guys so will it.

Your ending is pretty much why I put together my clan the brotherhood. And you're points all make sense and are very vailued by me, thank you. I can see the xbox one being like those first plasma's and if the price drops enough for me I may just move over to it...but I'm anout where your friend is at with destiny. I will say this, I have left feedback with bungie and a rant or 2; they have responded to my idea's and changed things. For that I am greatful that my voice was heard and vailued! Seriously Bungie overseers thanks for that! I just don't like my hope for a brighter and better future...be cut down a peg or two every update. Feels like 1 step out of the "don't touch the game except to burn it" hole then 2 steps back sometimes you know?

I see your points and can not disagree. Funny thing, I just got off the game a few min ago. I only had twenty min because I am going yo my Chiropractor. A friend, even older than me, 67, who has been play games forever and is playing multiple games now, always negs on Destiny and I got a message he needed another for nightfall, lol. It was too late to join, but he joined me and decided with so little time on hand for me, we would run through the daily. Which we did in about 15. Point is even big complaners are still playing. There is something with which can be and will be improved. Lets give it tome brother. It is still fun to some of us, lol.

Ya it is, i cant stop playing it! Bad bungie making another addictive game, bad!

Nah, just a great game constantly evolving with the usual growing pains. It will all work out eventually. We just have to roll with throw punches lol. Enjoy the ride brother with your fellows.