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Edited by Flee: 5/6/2013 5:17:41 PM
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Homework? Tests? Not really. Final year Bachelor's Law school student here. No tests, no assignments other than for the odd practicum. Nothing but 1 exam for each class that makes up 100% of your grade and the occasional paper that has to be written (currently working on an unfinished one on nemo tenetur and cryptography law, 46 pages as of now). But it obviously depends on what you're studying and where. Some countries and universities have way higher standards than others.
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  • I'm Legal Studies. Would you mind going more in depth as to your classes? I'm curious about these '100% Final' classes. Do you feel lectures are essential? What is your reading schedule like? What sort of topics- constitutional law, tax... something? It's something I may pursue when I need to get my BA and later my Masters, so I'd definitely like to get a viewpoint of somebody already doing it if you don't mind.

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  • Sure. Just so you know, I'm not attending a US University, but a European (Belgian) one ranked in the top 25 best law faculties in the world. It's a great University and Law School, but things will obviously be somewhat different in the US, although I've heard it's relatively similar from exchange students. The 100% final classes are easy to understand. It are classes that consist of nothing more than (optional) lectures and one exam at the end of the year. Your exam makes up 100% of your entire grade for that class at the end of the year, so you only get one chance. If you fail an exam once, you get a chance to retake it a few months after. If you fail that one too, you failed the class for that year. Whether or not lectures are essential really depends on the class. I pretty much always attend the lectures to take notes and highlight/summarize my textbooks while I'm at it, but for some classes it feels pretty useless. Like today, I'm actually supposed to be in a class right now. But this class, Legal Psychology, just seems so pointless that I don't always go. There's some classes where the professor explains the hard parts very in depth, gives a lot of extra information and just is a great help. But then there's others where he or she just sticks to the textbook and hardly contributes anything to your course. I'd recommend going as often as you can, unless the lectures just are downright useless or you've got a good reason not to go. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by my reading schedule. The classes you take depend on what year you're in. Some of them are mandatory, others are optional (in the sense that they let you pick a class out of several possibilities). It's a gradual learning process. I mean, in my first year one of my classes was "Introduction to Legal Sciences", which introduces you to a lot of classes you'll study more in depth later. Then, the next semester, we'd take "Contractual Law", which is necessary to understand some later courses, like "Property Law", "Family Property Law" and "Extraordinary Contractual Law". Same principle applies for a lot of classes, like how we were supposed to take "Economic and trade law" before "Societal Law", "Labor Law" and "Fiscal/Tax Law", as it would be pretty much impossible to understand without a proper foundation. The classes I've had this year (as in these two semesters) are: International and European Law, Criminal and Correctional Law, Criminal Procedure Law, Legal Comparisons, Personal and Family Law, Family Property Law, Tax Law, Legal Psychology, Economic and Trade law, History of Private Law, and Fundamentals of Law. Main reason why I chose Law is because it's a very versatile degree and field to work in. You can be anything from the "classic" legal profession like a notary, defense attorney, judge and prosecutor, to something like a legal advisor of a large firm. You can also be an author, professor or researcher, for example. Other than that, a lot of politicians have a degree in law. I think that covered most of your questions, but don't hesitate to ask if you have any more.

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  • I definitely appreciate it. Thanks so much. And by reading schedule I meant like... how much do you read every day and whatnot? Maybe 30-50 pages a night or something? Just curious what the workload is going to be. I'm in some advanced level law courses next semester so I'm trying to prep myself. :P

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  • Edited by Flee: 5/6/2013 9:07:20 PM
    That depends, really. During the year I usually have around 20 hours of class each week. In total (classes included) I spend anywhere in between 2 to 8 hours of actual reading, studying, summarizing or highlighting courses per day. This obviously increases as exams draw closer, which is around now. My first exam is June 5th, my last one is June 22nd (4 exams spread out over that period). Our "general guideline" for hours spent studying in that period of exams, is at least 10 hours a day, which is something I am not really capable for unless under extreme pressure. I got through most of it with around 6 hours of studying per day, although I would not recommend doing that little. In terms of pages? Well, my textbooks range anywhere from between 1400 pages (Personal and Family Law) to 350 (Legal Psychology). The workload for my upcoming set of exams is around 2500 pages in total. During my actual period of exams, I usually try to get around 70+ pages per day done, depending on the amount of time I have. If there's one golden rule I can give you, it's that repetition really is key. Day 1 of your study period, you do pages 1-50. At the end of the day, you go over those 50 pages again at a high pace. The next day, you do page 1-100. Spend the first 1-2 hours of your day going over those first 50 pages again before working on page 50-100. Same concept for the day after. Start with rehearsing 1-100 before tackling 100-150. That way things will really stick with you. It may seem like such an awful chore to go over the previous chapters again again (and trust me, it is a chore), but I can assure you that if you spend 14 days tackling a 900 page book at 70 pages a day that, by the 15th day, you'll hardly remember anything of the first couple of 100 pages. And then, another thing I like to do, is plan ahead so that I have time left before my exam. Start your calendar a month in advance, so you'll have time to adjust. Think of how much time each class will take ("can I do 80 pages per day, or is this one so difficult that I'll need a day to just get 40 pages over with?") and make a plan that states how many pages you'll do on what day. Then, last tip, is to keep a day or two off right before your exam just to rehearse. For example, if you have 10 days to study for an exam and 500 pages to do, don't do 50 pages per day. Try doing 65 per day, so that it only takes you 8 days. And then spend the last 2 days just going over everything again from page one. These are always my post productive days and it has saved my ass multiple times. It has happened often that at day 8 I was desperate and out of touch with the class, being sure that I'd fail, but then those last 2 days of going all out to get the general picture and go over everything helped me out a great deal. That should be of some help to you, I think. I wish I had someone to tell me that in my first year, would've made things a lot easier lol.

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  • [quote]46 pages[/quote] My god.

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  • Edited by Flee: 5/6/2013 5:20:46 PM
    Should be around 60 when I'm finished. I have to admit that this is rather extraordinary though. Most of the papers I have to write are only 10-15 pages long usually. Anything over 30 is pretty exceptional, I've only had to do that 2 or 3 times so far. It'll only get worse near the end though. Once I finish my Bachelor's I'll get my Master's degree the years afterwards. Thesis papers for your Master's are 70+ pages on average, although I have seen some that are over 150 pages in length. Crazy, if you ask me.

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