The only reason I like destiny pvp is because of the abilities, the gunplay is okay. But now they are forcing us to a no ability meta and that where I am like welp I guess no more d2 pvp. There are better feeling gun play games out right now. So its destiny for pve and halo for pvp for me.

I still can’t quite understand the class envy. You can literally play any of them. It’s not hard to level all of them up, they can all use the same weapons etc. Think Hunters are overpowered? Play Hunter. I am equally rubbish on Hunter and Titan and slightly worse on Warlock which I just can’t get the hang of. Some seasons i main the PvE activities on Titan, sometimes Hunter. Whichever I pick doesn’t matter because they bore the f*** out of me after a few weeks and I go back to just PvP or the odd strike. I get bored playing one way. I swap weapons class and subclass continuously. It’s a great part of the game. I think some of the changes are interesting and very good. It looks like one objective is to limit supers to one per match of Quickplay PvP. I applaud this. I have always thought that two supers for almost every player (or even three for some) per quickplay match was a mess.

Just remove hunters. It will make bungie cry.

The thing is, no amount of nerfs will make the crying and scrubs better. They will still be here crying, calling out nerfs to things they cant counter or have awareness.

I'm with you on this, personally I can't wait PvP is ruined by the constant ohk spam of people using fast abilities and infinite special ammo. Wouldn't be so bad on a game with larger maps but on D2 it's game breaking It's not like there removing it all, just making it so that you need to be more strategic with their usage, But then I guess that will upset the ones using them for a crutch to get by with

They complain because they're ignorant and probably didn't even read-let alone understand the twab. You can tell this is the case when you read their braindead posts complaining about slippery slope BS.

[quote]PvE gets amazing buffs, while fundamentally pvp gets a bit of much needed balancing toward some good ole gun play fights. Everyone whi has played since D1 vanilla has always adapted through many eras of crucible. Soon we will have a new one, and im looking forward to it[/quote] Just because people have adapted to something doesn’t mean they like it (and they didn’t adapt nor like it). No one asked for the class ability nerfs, or the SC nerfs, or the HHSN nerfs, or that [u]stupid[/u] super tier list thing they got. Titans got by far the biggest shaft, so I’m probably bias, but I legit have [u]nothing[/u] to look forward to for these changes. It’s outright making Bottom Tree Hammers the only viable option when you combine it with the S&S buffs. These changes never worked in Y1, and they [i][u]certainly[/u][/i] won’t work now. Not with the special weapon cheese. You though Fusions, LFR, and shotties were annoying before? Now watch as they become the [u]only[/u] weapons in the game that can reliably kill. This game is going to get stale extremely quickly because they are going overboard with ability nerfs. Gunplay focus is great but when Destiny is focused on Gunplay it’s at its worse (just look at Y1). Sure the gunplay is good, but Halo’s is far better. These changes only give me [u]more[/u] reason to just take a long break and play Halo:Infinite. There are only a few good things about these recent patch note releases. And this basically blanket nerf to almost [u]every[/u] ability, whether it was actually OP or needed, is discouraging.

I think it’s partly that people are looking at the changes as individual nerfs rather than fundamental changes to ability strength. So they see that something they use is getting a nerf, and they think it’s unfair because they fail to take into account that it’s power relative to other abilities won’t change too much. There are definitely some things to be worried about, but I think it’s unreasonable to expect that it will be perfect right away anyway since it’s a complete overhaul to the ability sandbox. All the super changes seem good to me, and I can get behind the general philosophy they have with the ability changes, even though some of the individual changes don’t seem quite right. I hope that we won’t go too long before any immediate outliers are addressed, and that some of the abilities that seem to be hit really hard like shoulder charge will get some improvements pretty quickly.

Cos some ppl love to complain.

cuz this is what this forum and bad players do, cry for no reason

Because people will never be satisfied.

Hell yes!