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Edited by Cheebruger:
9/11/2020 3:29:15 PM
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Please have flinch actually work against snipers
I don't know how there's a debate here. This is a proven fact, intentional game design or not, that flinch rewards the person getting shot- [i]which is ridiculous to begin with.[/i] And because of that, snipers (and Arbalest) don't have a consistent option of counterplay.
Now this is something I've talked about before, so let me address some arguments before they're made.
When I got shot, my scope goes everywhere! Flinch isn't helping me, this is fake.
[spoiler]There are plenty of ways to prove that this is just how flinch works, maybe your issue is that you're not aiming close enough to your opponent's body for it to kick in, maybe you're just not noticing it.[/spoiler]
My [i]insert gun with high cal rounds[/i] works just fine against snipers! They're fine.
[spoiler]Now obviously I'm not seeing your gameplay or the calibre of your opponents, but if they're not aiming close enough to your character, flinch won't help. There's no gun that will consistently flinch a sniper, and high cal doesn't help.[/spoiler]
Just don't challenge sniper lanes! Easy. Snipers are fine.
[spoiler]Ignoring the fact that challenging entire lanes when someone has a sniper on being unviable even if you do everything right is absurd, distance doesn't factor into the flinch issue.[/spoiler]
Just 3-peek and wait for them to make a mistake!
[spoiler]3-peeking is a problem in of itself, and I'd rather avoid having to camp, for obvious reasons. Plus, the dude can just rescope and get flinched onto your head very easily.[/spoiler]
Edit:
I guess I was wrong about my first sentence in the post, there really doesn't seem to be any debate. Nobody is happy with this. The last holdout seems to be you guys over at Bungie, so please, listen to the community here.
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#destiny2
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u say this cuz u cant snipe, hardest thing to do in the game n i rarely ever do to a sniper, stop -blam!- n put away ur fusion rifles -blam!-
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/257125978/0/0
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7 RepliesBut...but...sniping is skilled YoU HaVe tO AiM. LOL. I swear i never hated so much snipers than in destiny. Every sniper meta has been pure hell since d1. If you wanna be competitive now you gotta have a sniper in your team that gets the first kill. Snipers are just slowing down the gameplay (if people are 3peaking its not only to get super but mainly to not be one shoted as this practice became highly present only since snipers are everywhere and effective in the worst hands) They are easy to use (i never snipe in fps and im still able to beat players who are obviously playing sniper way more than i do...but only in destiny XD) They are really forgiving against non sniper players. Worst case....you miss a shot and you go to cover...waw...such high risk high reward gameplay. Special mention to revoker here X) Handling and aim speed is too fast for this kind of weapon. Flinch isnt a counter to snipers (hell you just have to aim at the body if somebody is shooting at you and you have high chances to get a headshot ) And lets not even talk about the absurd aim assist and bodyshot damage. But thats how it is...sniperd have this reputation of "skilled weapons" in fps. So people think its always skilled to snipe... I would answer yes, it is skilled to snipe in a game where flinch makes you miss and autoriffles can kill you in 3 shots or so. But its not the case in destiny because of slow time to kill. (I love the pace of this game in terms of time to kill, but in consequence snipers should be less forgiving as you have less counters and way more time to aim)
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This post and a lot of comments to this post make so much sense. I have hated snipers since way back in d1. But now, they're out of control. D1 was bad already but this meta in d2 is worse.
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11 RepliesI see the idea of de-scoping snipers on hit floating around, do you think that's a viable option, or is it overkill?
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2 RepliesImagine using a sniper in Destiny and thinking youre good at the game.
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9 RepliesSnipers need a massive nerf it's absolutely ridiculous how easy they are to use. It should be difficult to headshot.
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Flinch needs to be fixed for snipers for sure. I should not be violently vibrating while getting shot and still be able to land easy shots
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1 ReplyNot gonna lie....I don’t use snipers in PvP at all. If I do, it’s for shits and giggles. I didn’t know the flinch was actually helping them. So all the people who think they can snipe probably can’t. And I know snipers already have unusually high aim assist. Take all that away and people who snipe are literally pure garbage. Lmao
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3 RepliesThe simplest solution is to make snipers instantly de-scope when they're shot, like they were in Halo. This forces snipers to be (even) more tactical about their positioning and shots since there's greater risk involved, and other players have a chance to actually escape/recover from these encounters.
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13 RepliesEdited by OMG Caesar: 9/11/2020 11:57:52 AMYou’re right, sniping is easy, because players are stupid. Tbh more times than not, that’s exactly what it is. As someone who has sniped for years, and used all sorts of snipers , 98% of you run in straight lines, especially when round corners , thinking if you spam your gnawing hunger sits somehow going to stop a good sniper from using cover to quick peek rip your face off. As a sniper the players who give me the most trouble are players with good movement speed who jump corners and close the gap. To anyone who thinks sniping is easy, I challenge you to snipe every single game, every single map and average 25 plus kills a game and tell me you don’t get flinched by just about everything. The difference is I only need less than a second to recover and steady my aim to get a good shot off. Have there been shots were I’m getting flinched and ripped a face off ? Uh yeah but you crazies act like that happens 99% of the time , when that’s not reality. You don’t see me over here crying about jotun auto tracking or mountain sniping or auto rifle spam (which is like 85% of the gun play ), but please tell me more about how snipers are an issue and not your play style I’ve got 100000000s of clips of blueberries running free in the open challenging , or straight running around corners in high population areas making it easy pickings .
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It's because the sniper rifle's ads functions differently than other weapons, as it basically covers your whole screen. Anyone who's ever fired a scoped rifle knows you don't lose complete situational awareness by looking into a scope, even though focusing your eyes into it DOES cause you to lose focus on everything else. Loss of focus? Yes. Loss of awareness? That depends on the shooter. Destiny simply doesn't take this into account. Therefore when you get 'hit' it's your CROSSHAIR that moves and not your view in general. See the difference? THAT'S why sniper flinch is broken. Bungie simply didn't account for that.
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7 RepliesThen I must be the worst sniper in the world, because I aim at the head and when I am about to shoot the flinch goes into the sky like intended. Where should I aim at to magically flinch to enemy's head? Or is it a console-exclusive wonder?
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1 ReplyAnother Pro argument for game modes that offer only primary weapons, no special ammo, no Heavy and no Supers.
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3 RepliesJust shoot them before they shoot you lmao.
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Yes Valve pls fix
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2 RepliesI snipe all the time and let me say... The fact that guns like Gnawing Hunger and Suros Regime can make sniping practically IMPOSSIBLE at any range but longe range is a whole argument too. I literally cannot hit anyone when i try to use Beloved. I can only flick and pray i hit them first bc if not, bye bye bullet. Now try to win a 30+ meter gun fight with Thorn against Suros+Fellwinters. Epic. I do think AR’s should have some flinch, but its kinda ridiculous on PS4 rn. Especially bc everyone uses them. I bring my crack shot sniper friend who is a COD sweat, and he cant get a single kill with a Beloved(not the best roll but its a solid sniper anyways). The flinch is crazy, and the only way to snipe is flicks and snapshot. Then he tries Gnawing Hunger and I’ve created a monster...
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3 RepliesHow long has flinch been a problem cuz this season they have a enchanced unflinching rifle aim as an artifact mod and you can double stack em. I feel like people are forgettin that
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Thank you. You said pretty much everything I’ve been thinking. Another solution could be to remove snapshot from snipers. Any weapon that can instantly one-shot from anywhere on the map should not be able to roll any perk that allows for nearly instant ADS speed.
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8 RepliesIt’s not even just the flinch, there’s other stuff that makes them broken too. I’ve been playing a lot of Destiny 2 faceit recently, which is basically a platform used to play scrims, and its crazy how evident it is that snipers are broken even in the highest possible level of play. I’ll leave some insight below if anyone cares. The number of times you are 2 hand cannon headshots into someone, sliding crouch strafing and so on, and they still manage to blow your head off is just so annoying because theres nothing you can do. The hitboxes are so big, the flinch is so negligible, the handling is so fast, the scopes are so low zoom, the controller aim assist is so strong, the sniper (The scrim rules only allow one sniper per team) is the single most key player in the team no matter how you look at it because they hold the most power. They are who wins you your games. If your sniper is bad you lose. The #1 ranked player on faceit is iAM Sayariu who is a controller sniper and he has a 90% win rate because he doesn’t miss, it doesn’t matter how bad his teammates are. When you have someone who can consistently easily get opening picks for you you will win all the time. I’ve always found snipers to be broken based on trials and comp but playing scrims just sheds even more light on the issue. IMO sniper handling is fine, it is something that is fun and should not be touched, but snipers need to have more zoom, much more flinch, and much smaller hitboxes.
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1 ReplyThe problem is the flinch direction is vertical, so all snipers have to do is aim low, or wait for the reticule to start resetting. Flinch should flinch diagonally to either side, randomly.
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3 Replies[quote]and Arbalest[/quote] arbalest doesn't deserve the hate, its way more balanced, it both uses an exotic slot and has a charge time
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1 ReplyIdk what they can do a bout it. From what i can tell the majority of players who get a headshot through flinch are controller players on pc who 3 peak and hardscope a lane with targeting adjuster. Im not the best pvp player but that shit has gotta stop.
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As I do not play sniper but is there not a mod or perk that keeps you from flinching when fired on?
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3 Replies[quote]My insert gun with high cal rounds works just fine against snipers! They're fine.[/quote] This one is 100% BS. A few days ago, I shot a Sniper with 3 Consecutive Headshots with MIDA (which has Highcal) and still got domed like it was nothing. Then I checked the stats of the player (since most sniper crutches like to claim it was probably a God-Tier player who shot me and not snipers being broken) and surprise, he was a 0.8.
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2 RepliesIt needs downwards flinch. It would most likely fix the problem
