I never said players were trash because they refuse to counter them, i said that not many people take the time to counter these guns, with a little exaggeration. The no counters argument your putting up is somewhat valid, though. I understand why GL and VW are the meta and understand that they can be frustrating, and how it can be easy to think there are no counters, but there are still counters. Grav lance can’t perform well in close or long range, and can be destroyed with a sidearm up close, a good scout at long range, and if the user’s aim is bad, you can even beat it in mid range. V wing under performs at close range so just use your corners and makes sure to confuse the player as much as possible to make sure their shots aren’t always a hit. Example: high jumping for hunters. Nerfing weapons isn’t gonna help, it’ll just find a way to replace the meta weapons now. Adding more weapons to compete with the ones existing, and buffing ones that aren’t ‘good’ will help in resolving this. There’s also really no point anyway, with random rolls coming back. One last thing: I completely understand your point of view. If I was presented an option to nerf v wing and gl i probably would nerf them. It’s the most annoying thing to get killed by them knowing that the player wouldn’t be able to do that if they had any other weapon. But it’s better to think of the bigger picture. I try to stay clear of using those weapons unless i want to get the catalyst, even then i still stop using them as soon as i end the match. Sorry if all this seems rushed but theres an outage in my area and im using my phones internet to write this. Once i get back my internet ill revisit this.

I dont think that the guns ttk is bad but I do notice that I can nail headshots a little more often with the gl. I do know that each gun has a individual aim assist stat I suspect a nerf to that would solve the problems with the lower skill tier players drilling domes like kris kyle