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7/14/2018 7:00:25 PM
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Going to have to disagree with you here.
This will be one of those rare instances where Kelly and I are in agreement completely.
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We'll just have to see how it turns out. I do t see ttk affecting team shooting or 1v2+ situations. And it's complete hypocricy to say flanking I'd ok and clumping is not. We'll see. This place is full of people who will complain either way though.
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It’s not just about ttk with weapons that are the issue here. Abilities need to be brought up to be lethal as well. The biggest issue is every aspect of this was neutered as time went on to suddenly fit a specific mold, when the game is meant to be faster. Is it supposed to be twitch shooter fast? No, and nobody ever expected it to be that. It was great where it was until Bungie broke it, nerfing everything into submission. I’m going to stop on that point though here, as Kelly summed it up quite nicely. The thing I feel that people aren’t getting is the definition of “team shooting”. It’s not the literal thing that bothers people. It’s that in order to succeed at the PvP in this game, you are shoehorned into holding hands with your teammates and singing campfire songs while tuning 4 guns on one player at a time. Hero moments and individual skill are gone, as is strategic play other than the aforementioned holding hands trick. It’s basically a bait and switch game.
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Edited by X-LoganX: 7/14/2018 8:48:00 PMTo say that hero moments and skill are gone is being over dramatic. To say they are less often sure. These things still happen they are just harder. Not saying they are harder for good reasons but they just are. I can agree that abilities need to be boosted. Ttk doesn't need to chsnge though. As far as teamshooting, people then need to stop being internet twats and say what they mean because it sure as shit seems to sound like people just hate multiple people shooting them at the same time.
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[quote]To say that hero moments and skill are gone is being over dramatic. To say they are less often sure. [/quote] No it’s not overly dramatic. Part of this is a POV clash, and the fact that you have considerably less time on this game than I do, which is fine, but I feel it somewhat skews your POV a bit. But different people are looking for differing things, so that could also be coming into play here. [quote]These things still happen they are just harder. Not saying they are harder for good reasons but they just are. [/quote] I’ve had one instance in 1k+ hours in this game(Look it up, if you’d like). One. I had many of them in D1. I know because my hard drive is full of fun clips from then. I have exactly one in D2, and that’s only me outplaying people in competitive when radar was a thing in it with my warlock. Had they played smarter, as they had 6 lives to just me, that clip would not exist. I don’t even consider that a hero moment to be honest. Just bad play on the other team, who did not play correctly. [quote]I can agree that abilities need to be boosted. Ttk doesn't need to chsnge though. [/quote] Both need to be boosted or nothing at all. Because if you boost abilities, but do not improve ttk, then you are caught into the abilities dominate scenario again. Same can be said if you boost ttk but not abilities, the current scenario will play out, but to a bigger scale. Both need to be done on equal measure, and not by marginal changes either. [quote]As far as teamshooting, people then need to stop being internet twats and say what they mean because it sure as shit seems to sound like people just hate multiple people shooting them at the same time.[/quote] See but here’s the thing. They are saying exactly what they mean. What’s going on is people are being jerks by stating that every game has team shooting as a retort, knowing full well just what the players complaining mean. It’s difficult to fully explain it in words on a forum, so I’m going to not bother trying beyond what I have wrote.
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I don't feel that my time played scewes me that much. I may have less time on D2 than on D1 by this time in but that's my life right now compaired to then. I have enough time in where I have 'hero' moments every time I play. At the very east it's successful 1v2 and such. I rarely had this success in D1 because of the prevalence of shotguns and snipers. I replied to Kelly again saying that based on a lot of replies here I clearly play different than a lot of people. It's possible my performance, or others perception of it, suffers from my playstyle but that's what I enjoy. So our PoV difference is not just my perception it's how I enjoy playing. This aggressive vs passive play bullshit that people tout is a bunch of crap. Both can coexist but apparently I'm in the minority. I see a strong possibility of me absolutely hating what pvp may become in September. Yes yes yes...people mean "clumping" together. I get that. It's still hypocritical because it's still going to happen no matter what changes. It's still teamshooting but somehow flanking is ok. I'm calling bullshit so I guess we'll see who continues to bitch about it after September.
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Edited by Lord Kielron: 7/15/2018 12:56:52 AM[quote]I don't feel that my time played scewes me that much. I may have less time on D2 than on D1 by this time in but that's my life right now compaired to then. [/quote] Please don’t misunderstand my reasoning for bringing time played into this. I was mainly trying to show you that perhaps your limited play time may be an influence on how you are perceiving certain things. That’s all I meant by it. [quote]I have enough time in where I have 'hero' moments every time I play. At the very east it's successful 1v2 and such. I rarely had this success in D1 because of the prevalence of shotguns and snipers. [/quote] That’s awesome dude, glad you are able to have your hero moments. Sadly my hero moments are stuck in D1, and won’t be changing any time soon. [quote]I replied to Kelly again saying that based on a lot of replies here I clearly play different than a lot of people. It's possible my performance, or others perception of it, suffers from my playstyle but that's what I enjoy. [/quote] Perception is a key figure here. I read your reply to Kelly re Battlefield being your forte, and I believe that may actually be where you prefer how this game plays out, because of it being similar to that game. Me for instance played mostly twitch shooters (when I didn’t RPG), but found the ttk a bit too fast for my liking. Where D1 ttk fit that sweet spot for me once I got used to how it played. But this was late HoW and the first few months of TTK that I found this good. It got way worse as time went on. So play preference is a huge key factor here. Now keep in mind, I no longer play twitch shooters. D1 taught me that sweet spot I wanted, and I never wanted to play them again. D2 is too slow, which is my perception of it. Things need adjusting in order for this game to go back to where it should be. However I also am aware that there are those who prefer this PvP as well. [quote]So our PoV difference is not just my perception it's how I enjoy playing. [/quote] Exactly the main point. [quote]This aggressive vs passive play bullshit that people tout is a bunch of crap. Both can coexist but apparently I'm in the minority. [/quote] They did just fine in D1. D2 is more about either being aggressive with your whole team, or camping back with your whole team. Most other circumstances find you losing. I found when sticking with one or two others, picking people off is too easy. However, interesting enough I’m more tactical than that, and I have to fight myself on decisions because I cannot win if I do what I feel is the right call tactically. I may play better in D2 than I ever did in D1. However D2 just is so damn boring per match for me. [quote]I see a strong possibility of me absolutely hating what pvp may become in September. [/quote] You may, you may not. As of this moment I have no reason to keep playing in Sept. nothing currently about this game excites me, so I’ll make a decision about it one way or another. But I will not spend the extra on the pass. I don’t agree with it. [quote]Yes yes yes...people mean "clumping" together. I get that. It's still hypocritical because it's still going to happen no matter what changes. It's still teamshooting but somehow flanking is ok. I'm calling bullshit so I guess we'll see who continues to bitch about it after September.[/quote] It’s not hypocritical. You are just looking at it one way only, which is blinding you on this to an extent. But as I stated it’s hard to explain it. Honestly, I feel you may just be taking it too literal.
