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Edited by TheArtist:
1/7/2017 6:45:17 PM
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Cozmo. THIS....is why Primaries have to be buffed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPXbK0Mvmk4
This video was posted today by True Vanguard on his YouTube Channel. It shows EVERYTHING that is wrong in The Crucible with regard to the imbalance between player speed, augmented durability skills...and the killing power of primaries.
In the video, you're seeing the lengths that one of the best players in the game has to go through SIMPLY TO STAND HIS GROUND against a Juggernaut/skating/shotgun Warrior. One who is basically just bum-rushing him from mid-range, (when Vanguard makes his effort to take him out) and making no effort to doge his fire.
This video shows why Bungie will NEVER be able to nerf shotguns enough to fix this problem. Not when a Titan skater can charge at you from the entire length of that back courtyard on Bannerfall...and NONE of the game's primaries can do enough damage to kill him before he reaches shotgun range.
[b] Effectively making a Matador 64 into a mid-range weapon that can dominate what are SUPPOSED to be the game's mid-range weapons. [/b]
The game's primaries are so weak, that the only reliable counter seems to be what are basically TWO special weapons: Pop the shield with a No Land Beyond...and then hose the guy down with a side arm. ....and that's once again, in the hands of one of the game's best snipers.
To those who want to say, "Oh but the game will have a CoD TTK."
This video is showing you that the game ALREADY has a CoD TTK...and that shaving a few feet off of Matadors range....or adding a few frames to its handling won't solve this game's fundamental problems.
Edit:
This video linked on another thread addresses the same DPS problem....but from a different perspective...and reaches the same conclusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzjJGE1hkrk&app=desktop
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Primaries need buffs because they're primaries, that's the gun we're supposed to primarily use (cough cough matador users)
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6 RepliesThe problem is that they nerfed shoulder charge so everyone started to use jug. Jug has been the same since day 1 and now everyone is complaining.
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Destiny Fundamental Problem: a Shooter where Shooting is bad and good guns are banned! Or, was deadly, now kid friendly!
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[b] [/b]
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Could add a modifier that allows primaries to do bonus damage to shields? Jugg or over shield. Could be an interesting idea to play around with. While this wont fix the problems with primaries entirely, it could be a fix they could remove later when they have a build that does.
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2 RepliesI'm far from a Crucible guru, but I'll throw in my thoughts... I've seen the problem with jugg/shotty Titans skating around. The situation is even worse when it's a crowd of them. For some reason, these type players aren't particularly interested in mission objective, either. This is a big reason I don't bother with Crucible expect when required for a particular quest or for marks. It's simply not a lot of fun and there are plenty of other avenues to really enjoy Destiny. OTOH, I've been in Crucible where there IS a good balance of classes. They've been some of the most fun I've had in the game. So, I do keep holding out hope. I don't think that the problem is the shotgun but the combo that is making it so out of balance. Maybe the solution is buffing primaries, maybe it's not. They need to be careful in fixing it, though, because there's a good chance that in fixing it they will break something else. I HAVE found a way of dealing with them, though. It's the main reason I keep my Kvoshtov handy. I switch to it at 900 rpm and change to a Stormcaller if I'm not already. When I see someone charge/skate in, I'll backpedal, dump the mag then give him a face full of Emperor Palpatine. I tend to over-thumb pulling down in auto, so their slide turns my weakness into a strength for this situation. I'm not a great Crucible player, but even I have a decent chance of taking them down this way.
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Why are people still even talking about this game like it's some kind of competitive fps? It's a casual game to mess around with. I don't even care what they do to it anymore. I hop on to play a few strikes then a few crucible just for shiets and giggles. I stopped taking it so serious after year 1 when a noob in year two could buy vendor armor and negate all the rng and grinding that was required to achieve said levels. Stop crying and whining about a dead horse, move on and either stop playing all together or treat it like the casual garbage it is.
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Edited by The 7th fall: 1/6/2017 1:05:52 AMYou know whats sad about this? Very few even considered juggernaut because shoulder charge could get the job done if you caught someone off guard or got a lucky smack off. Now that it's nerfed juggernaut is somehow "OP". I'll bet $30 Bungie will just nerf juggernaut because it's the lazy way to get people to stop overusing that ability... like they've done with a lot of stuff in the game so far.
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29 RepliesWe all know jug/shotty is used by moronic apes with a brain the size of a moldy peanut.
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1 ReplyAt OP, do you even spend time playing the game. It seems you spend most of your time on these forums complaining. I see you complain about everything.
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I don't think cozmo has any say in what happens in terms of weapon balancing
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2 RepliesAre we seriously gonna complain about Jugg/Shotgun? Because these things are perfectly fine: Stormcall Melee (It's Lightning, what do you expect? A High five?) Hunters Smoke Grenade (choking on nerf and fart gas) These ""Sniper Rifles" that shoot faster than my damn 45.? (My friend said that one) Shadestep Invincibility "I tripped pass that fist of havoc, and grenade, and melee, and bullet, and rocket, and child support, and taxes by pressing BB or OO" (Ninja Skills) Everything Takes skill in this game, Sniper rifles have a tactical advantage when you sit in the back of the map waiting to make a clip of 3 kills and add crap music. Then call yourself [i]Good[/i]. Shotguns take balls to rush the enemy and attempt to take multiple souls with you (Only to get sniped by the Kid in the back) What we shotgunners want is faster gameplay, noone wants to spend half an hour in 1 game because some prissy babies wanna hit dumb clips in this half assed game. (Thats why we have Call of Shooty) What we snipers want is.... "Clips" to show our kids when we get older that we can kill people with guns. How Nice? What a big wall of Text eh?. "Let me guess, you main Fusion and sidearms" I'll bust you a chiffarobe if you say that again, i main nothing but everything. Bring Ze Complaints ye ole City Slickers (In no way do i call or Approve of any nerfs, we just need buffs so everything is "Overpowered" and noone can complain, This is Destiny. There is no such thing as Equality, imagine having the Cod Modern Warfare 2 ACR in this game? It would be nerfed to heck in a handbasket cause kids can't deal with great things. )
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3 RepliesJugg/shottie combo promotes sloppy play. As a Titan main I can assure you of that. I have zero respect for anyone using that setup. You don't need an overshield as a reward for charging at somebody with a shotgun. How is that skill?
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I've started to notice people shunning the jugg/shotgun combo and using snipers instead. I've been toying around with the oddity known as Queenbreaker's Bow as of late...
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Everything in Destiny is RNG!
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33 RepliesGeeeeeez. Running in a straight line is so OP? Wait...what? You know...someone blinking around the map is unfair advantage over the titans? Everyone has grenades that track and chase people around the maps...but a Titan running in a straight line...is...just so OP!!! If anyone is still Titan skating it's more than likely the controller ( this goes for ALL problems ). Although Titan skating is still thing for the Defender class. It's Year 3 of Destiny...most of the issues that people complain about are the EXACT same, or tied too, the same issues from Year 1. Everything has been nerfed into the ground ( even XUR ), I'm already feeling less and less like some Legendary Guardian who can space travel. You've stripped me of any kind of "OP" set up. Most of y'all wouldn't last 2 months in Year 1...when EVERYTHING was OP. Y'all will never be happy, when the setup YOU use is the "meeta" ( hate that term seeing how most people use it poorly...like in Destiny ) and you still get destroyed....people run to forums with some kinda "subclass is is OP nerf NOW" post. Never ending...always annoying...solves nothing...
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Why don't we just nerf everything and run around beating each other with sticks? No wait, that would be too op as well.. Can't please anyone really. I've been beat by primaries using jug shield, and I've beaten jug shield with a primary. You can't blame a subclass upgrade for the fact that every crybaby in these forums has gotten practically every decent gun nerfed into dust. Nothing's really overpowered, you just [i]think[/i] it is, because tons of people are using it now. It's effective, it works, why wouldn't they use it? Yes, it's beyond annoying, but it's been in the game since the beginning. If it really is overpowered it would've been overpowered for years. It's just a thing called [i]overused[/i]. Some guns did need nerfs, like Hawkmoon back when it could OHK people, but then Bungie went overboard. The only reason theres ever a 'meta' is because people find what works, they build on it, and they use it. It's a never ending cycle of nerfing and buffing.
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5 RepliesBut truV ain't that good....
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5 RepliesTrue vanguard had ruined destiny with all his videos calling for nerfs. -blam!- him and the horse he rides in on.
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19 Replies"One of the game's best snipers" What a fanboy. TV isn't one of the best. You must not be good if you can't counter someone rushing you with a shotty.
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9 RepliesJug titans are annoying? Yes. Hard to deal with? No. It's all about timing.
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Does the uni shotgun count? It's a primary :/
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5 RepliesI think a good fix for juggernaut would be to make it replace the player's regular shield in stead of having literally have two shields. It would also make sense in a story way like you are redirecting your shield's power to a forward postision
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If you sniping on supremacy tryna be cool, KILL YOURSELF. If you don't have radar awareness, KILL YOURSELF. If you have no primary skill, for the love of GOD KILL YOURSELF. If you read this Bunnies, why do you CONSTANTLY PAIR 1 AVERAGE PLAYER WITH 5 NOOKS? WHYYYYY?
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Bungie won't do shit for this game anymore, it's all up to destiny 2 to not be a shit show.
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Shotguns aren't the problem necessarily. They are in a good place. Abilities used in conjunction with them are kinda OP. Jugg in particular. Also Warlock melee range means you can shotgun from outside of 1 shot range and melee then win shotgun engagements with every other class, excluding other Warlocks as their melee range is the same obviously. They can shotgun, do enough damage that a melee will kill. Other classes can't do it as effectively as their melee range isn't enough. I wouldn't mind seeing the melee get overhauled in Destiny 2. Giving no distinct range advantages for one class over the others. Hurts class individuality but helps balance.
