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Edited by Elitespear:
6/17/2016 10:41:56 AM
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Why do you compare shoulder charge to throwing knives? That makes no sense whatsoever and more to the point, how does a reduction in throwing knife base damage affect your game play in any way? How many times will you go "oh, if only my knife did 10% more damage I'd have won that game".
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It's not that I think what he means is that hunter subclasses have a 1 shot melee for arc sub class which rewards stealth. A dot with the void subclass that rewards precision and timing. And solar subclass which had a one hit melee that used to reward for precision and headshots and now it seems lacking because that has gone away. I feel like a flaming dagger in the face should kill you one hit and I don't play a hunter lol.
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Why should a knife kill you in one hit?
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Why should a sharp and or jagged blade thrown with high velocity kill you over throwing your shoulder into someone's face... hmm this is a hard one
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Yes, it actually is when bullets do less damage.
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Well considering bullets aren't the topic of this conversation in gonna act like you didn't reply. The fact of the matter is that this game is flawed on many levels which is fine because alot of games are. However constant need for needs based on a minority vote is not fair to those who play a class to be rewarded for the way they play. You know just as well as I do that if the community had a vote on needing knife vs shoulder charge shoulder charge would have been nerfed on a MAJORITY vote.
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Edited by Elitespear: 6/17/2016 1:14:08 PMActually they are when you are trying to apply logic to how damage is dealt in a computer game. So trying to say "ooh this knife should do more damage than this other thing because it's sharp" is moronic seeing as a barrel can prevent a rocket from killing you and remain intact. Your point regarding majority and minority votes is exactly why they shouldn't be listened to, since there is nothing wrong with shoulder charge.
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Point valid however it dosent take away from the fact that if you nerf for one class with something like a knife. Then you shouldn't then in turn lower shoulder charge or make it take a melee charge.
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I don't know if we've touched upon it yet, but [u]shoulder charge and throwing knife are two completely separate thing. This is not about shoulder charge vs throwing knife. This is simply about throwing knife. YOU have made this into an issue with shoulder charge[/u]. They are two separate things, existing in two separate areas of two separate subclasses.
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The point isn't to compare them side by side, but it's the logic behind it all. (I believe that headshots made by a Throwing knife takes way more skill than running at somebody and pressing melee and killing em) if you can run at somebody and press melee and score a free kill, a hunter should definitely be able to one shot head shot with a throwing knife without having to worry. I don't believe we should nerf shoulder charge, it's fine where it's at. But the throwing knife needed a buff for forver, but since the nerf it DEFINITELY needs it more than ever. They might as well buff shoulder charge at this point it would make just as much sense as anything else
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Do you even realise how absolutely broken gunslingers would become if they could 1 shot someone with throwing knife? Do you even know what balance is?
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Edited by cxcarrico: 6/17/2016 4:09:01 PMWouldn't be broken at all. A One shot HEAD SHOT with the throwing knife is completely legit. Besides, you could say the same thing about a titan if shoulder charge never even existed. "Do you know how absolutely broken the Striker would be if you could one shot kill anybody by just running to or by them and pressing melee. Do you even know what balance is?" which clearly...
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So you're telling me shoulder charge is broken?? Really?
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Thats not what im saying at all. And I quote from what i said earlier [quote] I don't believe we should nerf shoulder charge, it's fine where it's at.[/quote] So clearly I think it functions fine, I was just hypothetically speaking. All I'm saying is that the Hunters throwing knife should one shot head shot if it's a precision kill (even if it's as it's own perk, would be fine), especially if Titans can kill you without one.
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How can you speak hypothetically about shoulder charge, when it's already in the game and it's performance is easily quantifiable? That's absolutely absurd. No, throwing knife should not and never should be a one shot kill. It's far, far too easy to land headshots with and there's at least 4 exotics and perks that would make the concept of it so overpoweringly broken nobody would play the any other subclass.
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First off I respect your opinion 100% Secondly, I have no idea what you are taking about I'm not hypothetically speaking about something that already exists in the game. Doing the exact opposite I was being hypothetical if it didn't exist. Third. Which 4 exotics are we talking about? To my knowledge I don't even recall 1 exotic that amplifies the Hunters throwing knife. How long have you been playing this game?
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Exotics and perks Cascade perk Monte carlo Sealed ahamkara fists Gunslinger tree would allow you to increase reload, build super, instantly regen melee on crit, also regen melee on ammo pick up. There's probably others but those I can think of off the top of my head
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Touché on the Monte Carlo, forgot about that gun. But then again the Titan has 2 exotics that are specifically made to enhance Shoulder Charge, so I do feel that even with all that said about the Hunter it would actually balance out very well if you could headshot
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Yeah but neither stand asides or peregrine greaves give any genuine improvement to shoulder charge on the scale of what was previously mentioned. Also, this isn't an argument of shoulder charge vs throwing knives. They are two completely separate and incomparable things. It's like saying you want golden gun to self revive when activated because sunsingers have the perk option to.
