Nah -blam!- warlocks (I'm biased)

Warlocks have no idea what being "nerfed too hard" feels like. Lol

I'm going to say the nerfs were appropriate. However, I think Sunsingers should have been buffed in other categories. http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/207034788/0/0

Most definitely overboard but anyone who couldnt adapt in the first place will disagree. Hilarious that now all they can say to object is adapt.

Does bungie realize that the reason why people use it is because the other options are either broke or not worth it at all?

I am a warlock main, so right off the bat, my objectivity is in question. That said, as a longtime Sunsinger/solar grenades/Sunbreaker gauntlets user, it is no longer viable to play using my preferred gamestyle. I rarely used fire bolt grenades. Mostly solar (meaning the flares, not just solar damage type). I don't think Bungie intended to wreck solar grenades, but they did. I don't think I could get a grenade kill with one solar grenade even if someone was afk, even wearing Sunbreakers, unless I shot or melee'd him first to lower his health. I played about 10 games with no solar grenade kills, and I was trying. Keep in mind that the Sunsinger super mainly lets you throw grenades. With most subclasses, grenades and supers are separate. With sunsingers, they cannot be separated in terms of balance. If grenades can't kill, your super basically can't kill (I guess you get a general buff to melee and gun damage). Fusion grenades still work fine. I can wear Starfire and I get two fusion grenades. If I stick it to someone, it is a nearly guaranteed kill. Two weeks ago or at any time in the past, probably most players would say they were better than solar (flare) grenades anyway. Yet it was solar grenades that got destroyed, fusion grenades continue as before. So, do I change my gamestyle that has built muscle memory for over a year, which I enjoy? Stop using grenades to control territory, instead use quick-twitch reflexes to get them on someone's face? Hmm .. No. I will do Stormcaller or Voidwalker until this gets fixed. So long to my favorite, main subclass. And for what? Has [b]anybody ever[/b] said or thought that solar (flare) grenades were OP!?

I will say I'd rather deal with firebolt nades then spamming fusion nades.

Nah because i just got my ass whooped a couple times by a sunsinger, when are ppl gonna come to the conclusion that its not the subclass, its the player that makes something good

I would have been fine with the nerfs if bungie had buffed other perks in the Sunsinger subclass. This is what always screws the game over. Nerfing some of the only powerful perks in a subclass on not buffing any other parts of it. Bungie needs to learn that Nerfing everything and buffing nothing is not the answer.

My issue isn't with the change to Firebolts or Flameshield. But what was done to Solar Grenades, which now do either 2 or 0 pts dmg. If i throw a solar grenade at you in the crucible you shouldn't be taking a tan and neither should the boss I have smothered in them either.

Sunsingers were not only nerfed too hard. It was done apperantly for no reason. No data or strong opinion was found. They just felt that this class caused frustrating situations. Now my Solar Grenade does 58 on impact. 60 after the 5% VF buff lol This game is no longer bungie priority. I wonder if they are already checking out for a new game or release? If you wanted to strip classes down to gunplay why not just make a MWF game to start with?

There is no balance in this game, PvP needs to [i]go[/i]. The Devs have LITERALLY admitted to unbalance simply for the sake of research.. apparently. They let ridiculously powerful weapons and abilities run rampant for months and then break them down into scrap. On purpose.

Why did they take the burn effect away from us but leave it on Titans and Hunters? I ran this week's NF solo with my SS and it was far more difficult then it would have been without the nerf, atleast the Defender Titans Super last 45 seconds, the SS has been neutered, it would be as if the Nightstalker super could only Teather and never kill, no shade step, no smoke grenades. ...or if the defenders bubble and it's effects only lasted for 8 seconds .......would that make everyone happy? Well that's what it would take to have the 3 "support" classes ballanced.

Who cares really. This game has the most toxic community I've ever seen on any multiplayer game. If I were president of bungie I'd tell Deej and all those guys to have some backbone and not listen to all the crying. Keep it up guardians! You guys are doing great! Losing sleep over a game because a class/subclass you don't use is whooping your behind. Btw a lot of players that suck now are gonna suck regardless, so why complain? Only way you'll get good is if you keep playing and criticize yourself on what you did wrong, instead of crying. If you're the type of player that just sits back and plays for fun and doesn't complain, you my dear friend, deserve a medal.

The problem I find with the change is that the new debuff effect of Viking Funeral isn't useful in its current state. It needs to be at least 10% per stack, and last 5-7 seconds. A 5% defense debuff per stack that only lasts 2-3 seconds doesn't help anyone. It's useless. Good idea, but very poor execution on their part. And its interaction with Solar Grenade is rather odd. It only activates on the initial impact of the grenade when tossed, and doesn't apply at all after that, even if an enemy that wasn't hit by it previously walks through it. The continuous damage from the Grenade isn't affected at all by the defense debuff either. Only the initial impact is affected. Sometimes it doesn't apply the debuff effect or burn at all. Very inconsistent. They really need to fix that. On that note, the damage of Solar Grenades have been widely inconsistent, even by itself, since the update. It seems much weaker than it was initially. Sometimes it does little to no damage at all. Likely another bug from the update.