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Edited by DarthBrando:
4/19/2016 8:27:23 AM
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http://www.famousscientists.org/bill-nye/
he studied under Carl Sagan;
he has a bachelors of science degree in mechanical engineering
he worked for [b][i][u]BOEING[/u][/i][/b] as a mechanical engineer prior to his PBS kids educational show.
the climate system of the planet is a biological system of mechanical action;
the currents and temperature differentials and chemical composition of those currents and cyclic systems are [b][i][u]exactly[/u][/i][/b] what comprise, make up and control the planet's climate.
being a person with both a degree and experience in mechanical engineering Bill Nye is actually [b][i][u]MORE[/u][/i][/b] reliable in aptitude at evaluating meteorology (study of weather) than most actual meteorologists as Bill Nye has experience and training on applications of chemical compositions of materials and their effects on a mechanical system.
for a time he also served as a professor at Cornell University
no offense but F this topic; dang vicious political trolls
[b][i][u]PSA/FYI; the Heritage Foundation and the Tea Party are funded by the Koch Brothers; those organizations publish a ton of slanted propaganda lies BTW[/u][/i][/b]
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[quote]http://www.famousscientists.org/bill-nye/ he studied under Carl Sagan; he has a bachelors of science degree in mechanical engineering he worked for [b][i][u]BOEING[/u][/i][/b] as a mechanical engineer prior to his PBS kids educational show. the climate system of the planet is a biological system of mechanical action; the currents and temperature differentials and chemical composition of those currents and cyclic systems are [b][i][u]exactly[/u][/i][/b] what comprise, make up and control the planet's climate. being a person with both a degree and experience in mechanical engineering Bill Nye is actually [b][i][u]MORE[/u][/i][/b] reliable in aptitude at evaluating meteorology (study of weather) than most actual meteorologists as Bill Nye has experience and training on applications of chemical compositions of materials and their effects on a mechanical system. for a time he also served as a professor at Cornell University[/quote]
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Edited by FuZzyNuGgeTs: 4/17/2016 12:24:28 PMShe's a moron.
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Edited by DarthBrando: 4/17/2016 12:30:35 PMindeed but jus keep in mind Mrs. Palin is actually a card carrying member of mensa mostly she's moronic as she is in the pocket of the Alaskan Oil Industry and the heritage foundation so she's kinda told by donors on who to support and who to refute and what views to have.
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You can have a high iq and still not have any idea on how the world works. Smartest guy I know is really brilliant with business. He can't get laid.
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true nuff but what i meant was that Mrs. Palin is actually quite smart and aware of how/whats going on in the world; mostly she's told what opinions to have publicly to essentially add credence to the political parties actions and steer the party and media in a direction the party/donors want.
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She's good at manipulating the issue to her vision. Which happens to appeal to some. She's a politician. I was all for mccain till they saddled her on.
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Edited by DarthBrando: 4/17/2016 12:51:59 PMim not for either of em (big oil is kinda idiotic; hemp oil, bio diesel, methanol (wood alcohol) and plant cellulose could replace every single use of petroleum, they are much cleaner, far more abundant in nature, renewable resources, far easier to obtain (a farm is much more cost efficient and easier to build and maintain than an oil rig off shore/in the arctic and a pipeline to transport the resources) also mccain's nuclear power purposal was a bit absurd as we actually cant produce enough of the nuclear fuel resources his purposed number of power-stations would require let alone deal with that much high level waste.
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Edited by FuZzyNuGgeTs: 4/17/2016 12:59:14 PMA lot of oil byproducts are used in farming. I didn't know that till I watched some documentary. Might want to look into that. Not gonna argue there are better ways to do things. I'm just saying getting the whole world on board isn't happening.
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Edited by DarthBrando: 4/17/2016 1:03:22 PMyea im aware in every single one of those petroleum products and byproducts you can replace the petroleum based chemical compound with one of these; hemp oil bio diesel methanol plant cellulose fish oil nitric acid carbonic acid (ground bone---> i forget the chemical term) and plant extracts the farm based petroleum products fall into these categories (in order of most used); insecticide pesticide fertilizer machine oil (lubricants) and gasoline/diesel
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Yep. But it's more complicated. China could care less. Dude.. I go fishing. In recent years they ban rivers because they are to hot. They ban fires cause it's to dry. I see what's going on. If it's cleaner great do it. Fact of the matter is its global climate change. Global.... Not just the U.S. Until they hurt from -blam!- the environment it won't change.
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Edited by DarthBrando: 4/17/2016 1:40:26 PMi understand; the global crisis we are facing; in the 1890s a research paper was done at Oxford University which actually [b][u][i]proved[/i][/u][/b] back then that the increase in C02 from the industrial revolution actually caused increase in global temps that [b][i][u]DID NOT MATCH[/u][/i][/b] the atmospheric records from ice cores dating back millions if years. As in back [b][i][u]THEN[/u][/i][/b] they ruled out natural environmental warming cycles. we have [b][i][u]known[/u][/i][/b] about it ever since. the amount of fossil fuels we have mined, and burned and burned in order to mine more; has dwarfed out by 1000x the highest recorded natural release of CO2 in roughly 640,000,000 years. (as in 1000x co2 release today as in past 640million years) an we did that in a span of 250 years. so yea big oil and industrial over expansion and overconsumption are [b][i][u]100%[/u][/i][/b] [b][i][u]ENTIRELY TO BLAME[/u][/i][/b] on methanol vs petroleum henry ford actually built his cars to run on methanol and ethanol as he personally knew every single farmer at the time could produce those fuels in their farms at little to no cost to them. JD Rockerfellar had a [b][i][u]PERSONAL[/u][/i][/b] hand in lobbying and enacting alcohol (ethanol) prohibition this forced henry ford to switch his industries fuel over to JD Rockerfellar's Standard Oil Petroleum company. before that; the USA had the cleanest and cheapest public transportation network in the entire world; the US tram network. JP Morgan along with JD Rockerfellar and Carnegie as well as 2 other oil monopolies [b][i][u]BOUGHT UP EVERY SINGLE TROLLY IN THE NATION AND BURNED THEM[/u][/i][/b] forcing the US public transit authority to switch to a system of busses running on petroleum oil. literally at [b][i][u]EVERY TURN[/u][/i][/b] and [b][i][u]GLOBALLY[/u][/i][/b] the oil industry has done what they could to eliminate alternative fuel sources and remain the only game in town; [b][i][u]DESPITE KNOWING THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THEY WERE CONTRIBUTING TO DIRTY FUEL SOURCES/POLLUTION AND CAUSING CO2 EMISSIONS TO SKYROCKET AND PLAY A KEY ROLE IN EFFECTING THE PLANET'S CLIMATE[/u][/i][/b] this documentary is a good start at finding info like this out/some of the info i cited above; http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2630916/ also consider checking out Neil Degrasse Tyson's reboot of Carl Sagan's series; COSMOS http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2395695/ a paper on co2 an climate; http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/14/3/pdf/i1052-5173-14-3-4.pdf oxford papers to read; http://www.economics.ox.ac.uk/materials/papers/5527/paper584.pdf this is the bio of the guy who wrote the 1896 paper at oxford on climate change http://www.lenntech.com/greenhouse-effect/global-warming-history the 1896 paper; http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf
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As I said I'm not denying the science. I personally think it's both natural and human caused this... If it is purely human caused.. Not a damn thing we do can change it when the rest of the world burns coal and clears rainforests. What to do? Hey China your bad. Hey India your bad. Let's slap some sanctions on you. It kept North Korea from building nuclear bombs..... Oh no it didn't. In other words it's not one nations problem. And most don't give a shit.
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I agree with you as to the unknown causes of climate change, however I think there is no harm in trying to be 'greener'. The fact of the matter is regardless of the need for clean energy we need more renewable sources and being one of the countries on the cutting edge of a new generation of energy use is probably a good thing. It's not only an idea of being 'green' but also the resources we currently use are limited. Also on a personal level why not reuse things, reduce waste, carpool, ride a bike somewhere close instead of driving, etc? They all even have economic indentures built right into them. It's ignorant just cause China isn't doing it not to do it
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the renewable stuff earlier i replied about hemp oil bio deisel methanol plant cellulose ect... all of those are renewable all of those are illegal to use in combustion motors (plant cellulose is a replacement for petroleum based plastics; you can make plastics from plant cellulose) the cars produced today are designed for petroleum fuel sources: as per the EULA agreement in car purchases its now technically illegal to convert you cars fuel from gasoline to methanol or ethanol see that documentary i posted earlier called pump http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2630916/ it explains it like 1/2 way thru. originally we used ethanol as a primary fuel source btw and electric trams&trolleys as public transit the oil companies and the political leaders forced us to give up renewables, electrics and continue use of oil. legit the only reason industrial infrastructure is not using renewables right now is a direct result of the oil industry lobbying and presence in politics
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If you took away my point as do nothing because China isn't you missed the point. Nothing changes unless the worlds on board. 300 million people in the U.S. World population is what 6 billion? When you start the conversation one point the country's that are causing the biggest problems simply say well you did this for years. Don't lecture us about it. In China the air can be toxic at times. You would think that would clue them in. No... It's all about progress at the expense of health and the environment. And it isn't all China.. India and several others, it's just a example.
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the 300 million people in the USA consume 20% of the world's extracted oil supply [b][i][u]EVERY YEAR[/u][/i][/b] we only extract 8% of the worlds yearly extracted oil supply ourselves currently usa electricity is 54% generated by coal [b][i][u]TODAY[/u][/i][/b] china only gets 28-35% of their electric grid from coal [b][i][u]so yea USA is still the largest contributor to consumption of fossil fuels.[/u][/i][/b] china got polluted and wreaked faster as; [b][i][u]they dont have as much or as long a history of pollution regulation and their nation is 1/3 the size on sq mileage[/u][/i][/b]
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Won't argue oil use. I will point out we peaked in 2005. China is on track to overtake the U.S. In oil use by 2030. Oil use doesn't just mean burning gas in cars. Petroleum products are everywhere. Plastics to fertilizer ect.
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yes oil is in everything; one barrel of oil produces; jet fuel plastics gasoline diesel lubricants cleaners pesticides ect... oil consumption and coal usage are [b][i][u]ONLY FACTORS OF CO2 EMISSIONS[/u][/i][/b] so if you are gonna argue co2 emissions; 2/3 of that problem is oil consumption. an yea china has already over taken us on oil consumption and uses 2x the coal power by % of power produced vs USA yes china is a problem a problem we can do absolutely [b][i][u]nothing about[/u][/i][/b] other than [b][i][u]go to war and stop them[/u][/i][/b] so yea we can't just fix china that being said though; china isnt doing nothing about it; they are starting to regulate emissions to global standards so that their pollution problem doesnt get exponentially more worse (though yea its not having much of an impact so far) they are also looking into switching from coal entirely to solar; but its not very popular financially over there. also everything said and done; China is the [b][i][u]ONLY[/u][/i][/b] nation worse on CO2 emissions than the USA [b][i][u]in the entire world[/u][/i][/b]---> we are a massive problem an we have to fix it
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China says they will change it. China also says a lot of things and doesn't follow through. I mean I'm sorry I don't see how us going totally green has any benefit. So when we choke to death or burn up we can say it's not our bad? Dead is dead and the dead don't care who's fault it was. We have done a lot to cut emissions and be more efficient. It's not a overnight thing. All those oil byproducts need to be manufactured and that power comes from somewhere as well increasing pollution.
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ok solar power; hydro power; wind power; ocean current power; geothermal power you know what all those got in common? [b][i][u]ZERO OFF GASS EMISSIONS[/u][/i][/b] none of them are entirely clean no; [b][i][u]they are exponentially by a factor of 1000x cleaner than coal or oil based mediums [/u][/i][/b] if we [b][i][u]actually switch[/u][/i][/b] from fossil fuels to other junk; 2/3 the global population [b][i] [u]WONT DIE IN 300-500 years[/u][/i][/b] the actual switch; 10-25 years; thats how quick industry can convert
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Meanwhile we cut emissions China India ect increase theirs and we are right where we are now.
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yea an then we tell them; stop/convert to cleaner more responsible stuff or we are invading your country an sending you back to the stone age
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Let's think about this. We go green. We can't maintain a military because we are basically broke hippies. China builds their military for the next 20 years. I mean that's like a ant threatening a elephant. What's the military need to fight? Tanks planes ect that use what? Oil
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dude its an engine; [b][i][u]YOU CAN POOR 80 PROOF LIQOUR IN YOUR GAS TANK AN RUN YOUR CAR ON IT JUST FLIPPIN FINE[/u][/i][/b]----> go try it some time; poor only alcohol in a gas tank an run ur car on it [b][i][u]IT WORKS[/u][/i][/b] why? [b][i][u]CUZ HENRY FORD DESIGNED THE COMBUSTION ENGINE TO RUN ON ETHANOL[/u][/i][/b] how much oil is in a bullet? [b][i][u]NONE[/u][/i][/b] bullets are; steel, copper, depleted uranium, gunpowder (salt peter + SUGAR) fired through a mostly steel weapon system
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Black powder is made like that. We don't fight wars with muskets. Modern smokeless powder uses oil byproducts.
