Actually you are telling people how to play the game, Sir. You made it clear right off that the reason for this post was to show all cheeses and that YOU wanted them patched so that people who, in your opinion, legitimately beat-as if that is really obtainable- the raid feel they have "earned" the gear. These are YOUR words, not ours! You playing your way is no more or less legitimate than mine or anybody elses. Other than the Crota kneeling "exploit" the rest is using the games mechanics to beat it. That being said we are still talking about a video game. IMO using ammo synthesis because I don't follow the one shot one kill theory or using all my skills needed to preserve ammo and use what is on the "battlefield" is cheesing, and one cheese is not any worse than another. Using "hidy holes" because you are afraid during HM Vog or during strikes is "cheesing" as well but we all do what we need to in order to get through the GAME! In short, we are all human, not one better than another. We all put our pants on one leg at a time. If you want the game "harder" then do it with your team and make rules for them to obey if broken, wipe and start from beginning like nightfall (or "old school gaming"). Challenge yourself and others, don't impose your will upon them. Begging Bungie to patch this is imposing your will.