I got invited to a group the other night completing crota raid and they were up to the deathsinger, no one on the team had done it before, so I explained it to the and we did it first try, then smacked crota. Now everyone of these guys had the emblam and raid weapons, so they had all beaten crota without completing deathsinger. The funniest, thing they all said to me that it was easier doing it legit than cheesing it. The problem was that the poor had never had the raid explained to them. I explained it once and they executed first time. Great bunch of guys.