Melees are 3-4 for a kill now even on a titan which is outrageous because they are supposed to be the strongest melee wise. Grenades are terrible they don't do any damage. Yes I'm talking about PvP. I get that they want to do more of a gun based game, but at the same time the cool powers and abilities are what make Destiny Destiny. If I wanted a well rounded gun based game I can always pull out a classic Halo or CoD. This new multiplayer is damn near identical to classic Halo 1,2, and 3 multiplayer.