I feel it depends with wich weapon you use them.. like lets say I take sleeper.. if I have a sniper with triple tap then yea sleeper is great since you can use the 3 sleeper bullets.. then switch to the sniper to keep it staggered and repeat... I loved the black spindle.. but with the flinching they added on the snipers now, the recoil is bad and will make get 3 crits way harder than in the old days, yet I just switched to a more stable scope ( although I miss that extra damage) to do it and then I use as a heavy the if materia machine gun.......oh boy bullets for days whitout reloading..... its amazing