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11/21/2015 10:48:21 PM
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Violence is bad, yes. Violence targeted at people simply because of a way they are is particularly bad.
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[quote]Violence is bad, yes. Violence targeted at people simply because of a way they are is particularly bad.[/quote]
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I don't see why motivation makes a difference, but I'll refer you to my conversation with Tartan on the subject below.
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So ignore racially motivated violence because it's no worse than random muggings?
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What? I never said anything of the sort. All violence should be punished regardless of motivation. The only deciding factor should be the damage incurred.
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Yeah you're just not getting it, but luckily the courts do.
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I am still looking for an explanation from you why some citizens should be a protected class.
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All people are a protected class, you're just being stupid.
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Obviously "protected class" means over and above the protection of the common man. Answer the question. Why should some people be more protected by the law than other people? I am just asking for a straight answer.
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You're asking a loaded question that [b]assumes[/b] some people are more protected than others. [b]They are not.[/b] Human rights are granted to humans, there are no special 'black rights' or 'transsexual rights'. [b]Everyone is treated the same. [/b]
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Pardon me if I misunderstood you, but didn't you say that racially motivated crimes should be punished differently than crimes with no racial motivation? That would make any minority a protected class.
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[quote]I don't see why motivation makes a difference, but I'll refer you to my conversation with Tartan on the subject below.[/quote] Do you think targeted assault and murders for something that someone is born as is worse than just collateral damage in a gang shooting or something? I do. Killing someone because they're an asshole is shitty. Killing someone because they're gay is worse, I think.
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Editado por beowulf 678: 11/22/2015 12:59:48 AMI see the difference between accidental death and murder. But I think motive in murder is of little consequence, if it is indeed murder.
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[quote]I see the difference between accidental death and murder. But I think motive in murder is of little consequence, if it is indeed murder.[/quote]So all murder is equally bad, to you?
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Right. I mean I do understand what you are saying, but it seems like splitting hairs.
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[quote]Right. I mean I do understand what you are saying, but it seems like splitting hairs.[/quote]And I'm not trying to make it seem like other murders don't matter, but killing someone because of a biological characteristic, to me, is worse than killing someone because of an actual reason like they stole your woman or something.
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It seems to me that murder should be punished as murder regardless of how or why it was committed. Deciding which murder is more heinous is tedious and pointless.
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If you were part of a minority that was at a higher risk of being murdered due to skin colour or sexuality, it would probably seem quite important.
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Editado por beowulf 678: 11/24/2015 6:09:08 AMHow about we stop dealing in "ifs" and emotions, and use facts instead? Tell me: Why is motivation and/or means a deciding factor in how heinous a crime is? If a human life was taken then a punishment should be imposed. Period.
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[quote]How about we stop dealing in "ifs" and emotions, and use facts instead?... [b]If[/b] a human life was taken then a punishment should be imposed. Period.[/quote] Hahaha.
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Really? Is that your best retort? By dealing in "ifs" I meant not using fairy tales to decide this argument. People die every day, but I am not going to change races or sexuality.
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Yeah I just can't be bothered to explain something really obvious.
