destiney is not a shooter. its a console game like mario. the pvp is jumping und trowing hammers. you got a radar. the enemy looks like a teammate. most people play in front of tv. you play with controlers. you hear the sound with tv speakers. you need to zoom with an primary. you cant sprint and shoot. no strafeing and crouching in firefights. autoaim. play against randoms. there are playeres takeing the pvp serious and buy a mouse ... to kill some randoms without mouse. i cant take a game like that serious, sorry. its just sitting relaxed in front of my tv, eating chips and pressing the trigger. i and my enemys dont concentrate.... thats the point ... its damn -blam!-ing console game