Excuse me, but I don't think I ever said that COMPARED to anything sunsinger isn't a tank, I said it's a tank in general. It can survive a lot of damage, just because HoS can survive more doesn't mean it isn't completely worthless. Also, just because Ram isn't Y2 doesn't make it "irrelevant" it's irrelevant in end-game PvE and Trials and Iron Banner, but for standard PvP it's still relevant. However, because you seem to not realize that, I won't include it in making justifications. Using radiant skin and having the scorch melee that increases your health, you can survive quite a bit. I Won't List Them Because I Don't Know Them By Heart Like a Freak