Just something to consider: A lot of guys are calling the HP a "crutch" & OP. It might be worth re-thinking that a bit. The gun was VERY good. But after what we saw from the exotic hand cannons this past year, the standard for "OP" was set and the Hopscotch doesn't fit. Not is it fair to say it was a crutch. It wasn't a crutch when it actually was one of the only legendary weapons available that had the potential to prevent being routinely ass--blam!- by "the notorious two". But unlike TLW, Hopscotch wasn't a safe bet against a shotgun inside 45'. It had NO reliability in terms of cross-mapping a kill-regardless of perk-set. It bugs me (butt hurt) to feel like people think I used it as a "crutch" when I (all of us) have been working toward ANY possible way to hold our own against shotgun snipers, revolvers that served as an 8-round LMG, and the satan's spawn known as Thorn. In light of the imbalance we've all had to deal with, a guy choosing to hold his ground with the Hopscotch was a hell of a lot more sporting than the 5 million other people who just said, "fück it, I'll just use use Thorn, too". Was it "OP"? After seeing some of the monsters Bungie has managed to create, I don't think so. Yes, there's an argument for paring it back a bit in light of all the changes. But it was never a scrub's gun. Anyone bagging on the Hopscotch should be doing the same damn thing over the Messenger; which was notably left alone. HP was to pulse rifles what LDR was/is to snipers: too damn good to ignore. And no one wasted any time hollering about the LDR. I just think we'd all be better off if stopped moving the goal posts around as to what an "OP" crutch gun actually is. Had they left the Pilgrim alone, we'd have a fistful of solid pulses to pick from; all with their own merits. As of now though, Messenger/Red Death are the new Meta and the thing we'll all be pissed off about in a week. I'm not salty over the nerf; I'll figure out whatever. But that gun doesn't have any business being lumped in with the true scumbag weapons of the past year. Just my thought.

[quote]They completely changed the weapon. [/quote] They warned everyone months ago [quote]Why didn't they just say, "Haha! We hate our players! And -blam!- any weapon they like!"?[/quote] They did this when they warned you and told you only select exotica would ascend to year 2. [quote]It's very likely Bungie planned this from the beginning[/quote] They did.

Hahahahahahaha

I'm not too angry that they changed it because it would no doubt have been the new meta. I'm angry that it wasn't mentioned in the pre patch notes that came out a month back. Would have saved me 200+ strikes and 200+ rerolls on my hopscotch. I all ready had a god roll all fate, now I essentially have two.

I must of grinded over 100 strikes to finally get my Pilgrim on Sunday night. Before I can even use it in Crucible, after all the mind numbing hours of doing the same half dozen crap strikes over and over again, they go and FECK it up completely. Can somebody please explain to my why you would take a very rare weapon, which the vast majority of people lucky enough to have had to absolutely work their balls off to obtain, and then completely change it into a bog standard pulse rifle??

It was OP dude Had they left it the same it would've been the new thorn

Lol and my high road solder only got better :)

It still works fine, I was worried when I read your post, and seen the stat changes... When I tested it in game, I was pleasantly surprised... It fires faster (the only problem the HP had before imo) and does 32-35 damage on crits/headseeker...and 3 bursts in the same time it took to 2 burst before... Other then having to pull the trigger more, it still wrecks, and I don't even notices the stability decrease... Watching hardlight rounds bounce all over the map was by far the most noticeable change in pvp... So far, for me its all thumbs up, across the board...so far...

I agree. This is a standard practice Bungie has been using to keep people logged on longer. Remember how OP Vex Mythoclast was when it first came out? Pocket Infinity? Used to destroy Obviously Gjallarhorn was the ultimate carrot and stick. No way it was a coincidence that Xur had it after the nerf announcement and just before TTK arrives.

funny thing is that in the patch notes they've said SPECIFICALLY: "...still 2-3 bursts kill (all headshots) in Crucible" ...but it seems it's actually 3-4 completely wasted time trying to get Hopscotch, it's now EXACTLY the same as AllFate you can buy from Vanguard

Over 100 Strikes...over 100 Motes and 300 Weapon Parts...and now? It's still a good weapon, but it was way better before. Not worth all the effort for 3-4weeks of having a really good gun. Bungie can lick my bonghole. I'm going to cancel my preorder.

Who cares? The bad juju still rocks, and so does the messenger

[quote]It's very likely Bungie planned this from the beginning; so many people grinded for so long not only to get HP, but then the 100+ motes to get the perfect roll. That was a substantial hook, and boost to their numbers.[/quote] Whole reforging was just another timesink. I personally would more preferrably just wait for a good drop than spend hundreds of motes on a silly thing like this. Then again.. I had Thorn.