I love Mr. Fruit, but he's dead wrong about the Defender. I'm really tired of repeating myself, so I'll just copy/paste this from a comment I made not an hour ago (with some minor context and grammer alterations): [quote] The Defender is solid if you know what you're doing. Blessings of Light drastically tilts the odds of a Primary vs. Primary fight in your favor, especially if you strafe in and out of your Bubble. You and your team will be almost unbeatable in the mid-range if WoD is placed well and utilized properly Weapons of Light makes all high Impact Sniper Rifles a OHKO on any Guardian without an Overshield, however you can't wander too far from your Bubble. Sniping with the Defender's Weapons of Light is like being a Sentry in a watchtower. I can hold a chokepoint on lock for 30-40 seconds, and anyone who comes into my gaze is all but certainly dead. I'm still being a Tank, or as close to one as you can get in an FPS, by defending that section of the map (no pun intended). Defenders are the only class that can take a Machine Gun to a Rocket fight by using WoD as a Blast Shield. This allows the Defender to rack up a huge kill-streak virtually unapposed once the enemy's heavy ammo is spent. Lastly, Suppressor Grenades can be used to cancel Supers, particularly Arc Blade and Radiance. Personally, I don't see any point in using Armor of Light. Any smart player should just avoid you or drop a Super on you. The only reason anyone finds any success with Armor is because Blueberries are still dumb enough to think Felwinter's Lie can solve any problem. When people stop being dumb, Armor stops being useful for anything aside from giving your opponents one less threat on the map for 30-45 seconds. There are very few people who even know how to use a Defender, which is why so many people complain about how "weak" they are. Even fewer people know how to travel and fight around the maps, which is why Shotguns "dominate" Crucible. In 2 or 3 years, maybe less, I suspect the Defender will be the most popular because it can control chokepoints better than any other class.[/quote] EDIT Holy. F-ing. Crap. I try to help people out and I get all the dislike votes? And they call us Hunters the jerks. Is there a reason for this? Is my analysis flawed, or are you that blinded by salt? EDIT 1.1 Yep. . . Yep, it's the salt. Ya'll some salty sea critters. EDIT DEUX It is really, really sad that a Gunslinger Main like myself knows how to make the most out of a Defender better than the lot of you. 93 of you and counting. It's almost Year 2, and you guys have learned nothing about your main class. EDIT NUMERO TRES Apparently, none of you are reading the entirety of this mini-thread, so here's a How-to on countering other Supers as a Defender: [quote] If you place your Bubble well and use Weapons you can counter/survive most Supers. Vs. Arc Blade: Use Suppressor Grenades. Yes, I'm aware of the bug, but it has yet to fail me personally. Vs. Radiance: Use Suppressor Grenades and gun them down. Vs. Fist of Havoc: I tend to Suppress Titans on sight, but the bonus damage to your Sniper and Primary should be enough to kill them before they're close enough to Super you. Vs. Nova Bomb: Just sit tight inside the Bubble, Titan skate to safety if they're using Vortex. I will speak about Golden Gun at length because I'm very familiar with it. Gunslinger has to use 3 Sun Bullets to kill 1 Titan in a Bubble. 3 Sun Bullets that could have been used to kill 3 players instead of just 1; that's already a win for the Titan's team and I can't emphasize enough how wasteful it is to use Golden Gun on a Bubble. If you're fast you can Hard Scope with a Sniper and kill a Gunslinger between his 2nd and 3rd shot; Mr. Fruit made a similar play in a ToO video. Vs. Ward of Dawn: Dance Party! Use Gift of the Void in PvP. This way, even if you are Super'd to death, you'll generate an additional 3 Orbs for your Team.[/quote] EDIT FOUR Hey, Ive got an idea: how about you prove me wrong instead of down voting my post like childish Brats. Of course, if you could do that, you'd try to debate me instead of hiding behind your Down Clicks.