Which all makes wonderful sense. There's nothing like a great analytical discussion of ideas and concepts, an exchanging of thoughts, and if you throw in some outdoors and the people are people you enjoy then you have a truly great thing happening. I learned this a long time ago, more people need to. Its not about religion, its about stimulating and interesting conversation with people you have some level of care for. Unfortunately religion is one of the few remaining facets in society that offers a form of this. We need more of that meeting of the minds.