I'm fairly certain that embrace the void only gives you the grenade cooldown. If you have surge active you don't get a speed buff when damaging someone with grenades. Soul rip definitely helps the cool down, but I don't think embrace the void does.

Embrace the Void - Anytime you attack an enemy with NB or grenades your energy drain kicks in. If that Energy drain is Soul Rip all of your grenades and supers reduce the cool down of the NB, with the combo of OM this allows you to replenish your super right away with any Super attack. I almost always get back my super to max. In Crota raid, the lanterns, I can go from light to light with super after super. Guys this is not that hard and this build has been out for a few months and tried and tested.

Soul rip only triggers when you [i]kill[/i] an enemy with energy drain. You can't kill an enemy with the energy drain that triggers from you embrace the void. Only the melee attack energy drain actually dies damage. Yes, embrace the void causes energy drain to trigger, but it does NOT trigger surge, life steal, or soul rip on hit. If you have evidence to the contrary please link it.

Again, please read the actual comment under the power. Damaging enemies with Novabomb or grenade will activate the energy drain effect, only certain powers like Surge will activate on damage while the other two activate on kills, but the point is that NB kills enemies and will trigger the effect when you use the NB. This is what I am getting to, grenades and supers give you super back. With OM and the combo I previously mentioned you can super after super if you get 4 or more enemies of low lvl or 2 enemies of captain or major lvl. But this only works with embrace the void, soul rip and most of the time I still use the hunger on top of that. If I choose to go pvp, I will change that up and choose shatter NB, soul rip, angry magic for the shatter NB to track enemies, (iffy on this power, need more testing to see if this changes the shatter and they go after enemies)

Dude. Surge doesn't trigger on grenade hit with embrace the void.

Yes, yes it does. How are you not seeing this, as it says that energy drain is active in the bottom left corner when you use. Did you read the exact working of embrace the void and surge, both say "damaging an enemy will trigger the energy drain effect" Also posted here http://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Energy_Drain Quote " Energy Drain Effect Mechanics " The Energy Drain effect is a short duration 'buff' that accelerates a Voidwalker's rate of grenade energy recharge per second for that duration. This is primarily applied when using the Energy Drain melee attack, though it also can be applied through grenades and Nova Bomb if the Embrace the Void ability is selected. " Well you maybe right... Cause in the same dam post he kinda contradicts itself. Note that Embrace the Void will NOT trigger the upgrades to your energy drain melee attack (Surge, Life Steal, and Soul Rip) as they are exclusive to the melee ability. The same applies to the Touch of Flame of Sunsingers; it only triggers the Ignite side-effect effect of Scorch but not its melee exclusive Flame Shield or Brimstone upgrades. If these abilities triggered melee upgrades on every grenade hit then it would severely undervalue Strength bonuses and simultaneously make Embrace the Void/Touch of Flame the most overpowered options for those subclasses. But also posts Embrace the Void will trigger the energy drain buff anytime you hit with a grenade or Nova Bomb in addition to your melee. This is what enables you to chain multiple energy drain effects over the course of a grenade cooldown, giving you dramatically faster and consistent grenade replenishment compared to other subclasses. So NB and grenade will give you the multiplier to the grenade recharge rate at x1.6 for the duration of the energy drain effect. A far simpler way to express this is: ED duration x 0.6 = grenade cooldown reduction. Both the duration and the effective cooldown reduction are measured in seconds in this formula.

He is saying exactly what I am saying. I have never said that the energy drain effect doesn't trigger. Both grenades and nova bomb trigger the energy drain [i]cooldown effect[/i]. However, only the melee attack will trigger Surge, Life Steal, or Soul Rip. I'm playing right now and testing it and can't see any additional super energy when I kill an enemy with a grenade with Embrace the Void vs. bloom. What system are you on?

PS4 and at work lol. Yeah, I get it now, but the wording is so poor from Bungie that it confused me as to why the energy drain effect (perk) would not activate on it.

Yeah, the wording is a little confusing. When I first read it I thought I would be able to do a vampire build with hunger, energy drain, and embrace the void. Alas, 'twas not so. I'm on PS4 also if you ever want to play: twvance