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12/26/2014 4:31:49 AM
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The right to own a gun in Hong Kong is not guaranteed by law. You must posses a license to own or transfer a firearm.
Tell me again how Free Hong Kong is? If the Citizens are not free to own firearms without government approval which the government does not easily grant, then the people are not free.
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In a lot of parts of America you have to have a license to own a gun too..... i had to get one to get handguns.
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Literally two states. Illinois and New Jersey. Coincidentally, in both of those states, the regulations are much stricter on firearm ownership and both states tend to see an increase in gun related crime In California, I have to hold a 25 dollar "Firearms Safety Certification" that I have to renew every 5 years to purchase a gun in the state. New York City has a pistol permit that they only give out to the 'worthy.' But in 99% of the rest of the country, there is no licensing required. Save for NFA items.
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I missed you.
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Uhh...thats not how you define freedom. A lot of crap requires a license.
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This is how I see it. The government of Hong Kong doesn't trust it's citizenry enough to own firearms. They have strict requirements on who can own and for what reasons to the point of rarely issuing licenses. That isn't freedom in my eyes. Now if we look at states that require licensing of firearm ownership who do it right then you set your sights on the Czech Republic. Anyone can obtain a license within reason and isn't financially barring. That license allows the holders to own what they want save for several restricted items that require one more license on top of it and permission from the local police. That license allows the holders of said license to carry firearms concealed on their person. That license has no limit on how many rounds you may have in a magazine, how many guns you may own, or what type of action those guns are save for automatic which is restricted.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Though I don't imagine reasonable gun licences are one of the hong kong citizens top priority when it comes to freedom of the mainland.
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It should, considering the threat that Nationalist China faces by the PRC. If I were the government official of Nationalist China, I'd want everyone to know how to use a weapon, and to have one in their home in case China gets funky and attempts something.
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The best I can see that going is people using guns to defend themselves as they evacuate hong kong or china in general. If one of those students a gun against the police, even if its fully justified (hard to see how it couldn't be), the government will instantly twist it and use it to justify a full on military attack. And armed or not, hong kong isn't going to survive that. The only way I can see this going well is if international forces back hong kong up. I would like the UK to provide military support to the protesters, as it once was our colony, and I feel we own them that. But that's likely to cause an all out war with China, and possibly Russia and N Korea (I haven't kept up on Russian or Chinese relations though, so maybe not :s). I think the best hope for hong kong is to keep playing the victim, and gain enough national and international sympathy to diplomatically strong arm the Chinese government.
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Edited by FoxTrottts: 12/26/2014 4:35:12 AMYou need a gun licence in the US, no? Which is governmentally approved, no? Otherwise, that's an illegal firearm, is it not?
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Not necessarily
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No license, and you only need a background check done when you do a 4473 which is from a dealer only. If I were in a state other than California, I could go to a dealer, hand dealer my money, he does the paperwork, I do the paperwork, I walk out with my new gun 15 minutes later. If I were in a state other than California, I could do Parking lot sales too. I find someone selling a gun I want. I take my money, he takes the gun. I give him the money, he gives me the gun and we part ways. We don't need licensing. With a dealer, we do a quick form that is held by the dealer till his shop closes or for 20 years and a background check request is sent to the FBI which is called NICS. You come back clean, you get the gun. With private sales, general rule of thumb is that the seller wants to at least see an ID for the purpose of a bill of sale. As long as your clean, that's how easy it is.
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Huh. Seems having Governmentally approved licences might decrease gun crimes. It'd be a much slower process, but it'd bring down gun crime by quite a lot. I'm just saying, while you're quite free about it in the states, that might not be a good thing that you're so free about it.
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I really don't think it will change much of anything. People who intend to commit crimes with firearms don't do so through dealers or private party transfers. It's far cheaper to buy a stolen gun out of the back of an '86 Cadie on 12 inch rims than it is to buy a used Glock from some dude on the internet for just under retail price and they most certainly won't go through a dealer and go through a background check to buy that Glock AT retail. There was a poll conducted that asked felons convicted of a crime with a firearm where they obtained their firearm from. The majority had claimed it was stolen. Be that in a robbery or from a family member. In second place was a straw purchase where a friend or family member would buy it and then give it to them. Very few actually obtained it from a private party sale. Straw purchases would not be haltered by licensing. All it takes is one straw purchase to put a gun in the wrong hands. Beyond that, nothing matters. Straw purchases all ready constitute a felony. Perjury I believe, since you are lying on a government form. Licensing just adds an extra roadblock that may put off someone who really needs a gun. As a recreational shooter, I don't car. I think licensing is a load of shit and would bitch and complain, but I'd live with it and fume over it. But it'd only hurt things for the people who really need it.
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Y'see? That's what I don't get about you Americans. Always wanting your guns all the time. I've never understood why you people think it is every man's right to own a firearm. In Britain, few people have guns. Do we get the jobs we need done? Yes. And quite well too. Every household having a gun just leaves it wise open for murderous or violent acts in a moment of furiousness.
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You're projecting your own character flaws or perceived lack of self control onto everyone. Not everyone will break down into a fit of violent range. But when they do, Crimes of passion are crimes of passion and no matter the instrument used the end result is generally the same. Arguments happen, yes. Disagreements happen, yes. But to assume that people will go so far as to commit first degree murder over a squabble is facetious at best. Firearm ownership is part of our culture. We are a culture of rifleman, sharpshooters, hunters, and exhibition shooters. Since the 1900's the world has become more dangerous and that desire to sport has turned into a desire for piratical self defense. But deep rooted in the foundation of our gun culture is a desire for independence and self reliance. We Americans like to be able to take care of our selves, which is one of the reasons why we broke from your empire. A firearm, as a piratical tool, helps facilitate that desire. Firearm ownership is an extension of what it means to be American. It's just a part of what makes us, us.
