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12/11/2014 2:24:40 PM
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Yes, the Nightfall is a game play mode. But that game play mode requires CONTENT...and there is only ONE strike per week.
So (even though I did buy the DLC) I don't get to PICK which strike I want to play as the Nightfall on a given week. If I don't LIKE the one that Bungie has provided..I either have to suck it up and do it anyway, or pass on doing it that week. More over---even as a paying customer----I was locked out of doing it until I was high enough level, and locked out of doing it this week until I had unlocked it by progressing far enough into the DLC content.
Bottomline, you were simply INCONVENIENCED by not having the DLC...and no one ever promised you that you would never be inconvenienced.
The only way that Bungie could avoid that would be to make a SEPERATE Nightfall playlist for EVERY expansion they come out with. Since some people won't buy any of them...some all of them. Others some, and not others.
...and why should Bungie do that simply to benefit people who are not PAYING them any additional money??
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[quote]Yes, the Nightfall is a game play mode. But that game play mode requires CONTENT...and there is only ONE strike per week. [/quote] Maybe this will clear it up for you. There didn't have to be only one strike. There could have been one for each level of content purchased. They chose to exclude people as a way of bullying them into purchasing the expansion. What company has succeeded being exclusionary rather than finding a fair balance?
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Instead of looking at it as "bullying people into buying content" why not look at it as rewarding those who did........ or is the glass always half empty in your world?
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Yes. ...and what happens a couple of years when Bungie has 4 or 5 different expansions out there. What you are demanding is unsustainable....and unreasonable.
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Are you kidding? I could write a system to do it in a couple of days. It needs to run once per week and doesn't have to think too hard. You pick a strike in reverse order from its release date. I'll post an example later.
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A couple of days... ...that has to be revised every time a new DLC comes out. ...and computing power to run it. ...and people to deal with any problems that arise in implementing it. All for the benefit of "customers" who are no longer a source of revenue. So your employer has to pay you for your man-hours...and gets nothing in return for what it spends.
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This is the whole issue though. Sure we're "no longer a source of revenue" so that gives the corporation a right to devalue the product we already purchased for the agreed upon price? Their decision was rational it was just consumer hostile against anyone who already paid them and doesn't want to pony up again. That's the part we have a problem with.
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"They didn't devalue the product. They simply inconvenienced you. You are only entitled to a nightfall every week, when you have bought access to all the contents of the pool from which they are drawn. If not, you get one the weeks when the content you HAVE paid for is picked. That's how COMMUNITY events work.
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I'm sorry you can't see the other side of this. I would like you to give me one other example of this ever happening. Every other game that operates this way has created an additional event to facilitate both new and old content separately. This is unprecedented and easily avoidable and as a result has devalued the product I purchased. I can't convince you of that but please understand that as one of their consumers I have a right to complain about it.
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Edited by TheArtist: 12/11/2014 11:14:44 PM1. I can see your point of view just fine. That does not, however, oblige me to agree with it. 2. None fo the games we are talking about are persistent world RPGs with the planned level of support and intended lifespan that Bungie is insisting it intends to honor with Destiny. 3. Therefore it creates a unique problem of sustainability...and the absurdity of looking ot have to create as many aa a DOZEN or more "versions" of a SINGLE community event by the end of the game's run. 4. So yes, you have a right to complain. But Bungie also has a right not to START a practice that they know will eventually become unsustainable over a course of 4 major releases, if they stick to a pattern of two or more expansions in between each of them. You have a right to ask for it....and they have a right to say "no".
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You buy CoD, BF, etc etc and they have multiple DLC packs. NONE effects anyone who only plays the original game.
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Because none of them are persistent world role-playng games that are goingt o be supported for 10 years. So it is simply isn't a valid comparison.
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I was just gonna say the same, but I mean you know, CoD is such an amateur game apparently!
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Because they didn't HAVE to lock a game mode to protect new content, [u]all they had to do was protect the [b]content[/b][/u]. People have paid for a game that gives them a chance at nightfall level rewards once per week. Bungie has taken it away for this week AND all future weeks that DLC content is selected in the rotation. This isn't about people wanting an added benefit they haven't paid for, they want the game experience that they bought.
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A chance they forfeited by deciding NOT to buy the content that was slated to be THIS weeks Nightfall. Its no different than my looking at the Cabal strike when it was the nightfall, and deciding to take a PASS on it. I'm just amazed at how many people seem to think the world owes them relief from the consequences of their own decisions. You bought access to THE Nightfall... not A Nightfall individualized to your particular needs. ....and the notion that you are somehow owed this when you arent' giving Bungie any additional money is just amazing to me.
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Edited by BVC591: 12/11/2014 10:06:36 PM"A chance they forfeited by deciding NOT to buy the content that was slated to be THIS weeks Nightfall. Its no different than my looking at the Cabal strike when it was the nightfall, and deciding to take a PASS on it. " Les see so there is no difference when a player decided to willing ignore a game mode for 1 week and a player who has had the same game mode forcefully ripped out of their game for that same week because they did not spend $20 on the dlc? [b]HONESTLY HOW STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE NOT TO NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE OR ARE YOU SOME A$$HOLE ACTIVISION/BUNGIE EMPLOYEE MAKING A HORRIBLE ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE TOPIC?![/b] I seriously doubt you work for either company so let my show you the difference. Player A bought the full/base game and did not buy the dlc. That player deserves full access to all content that he/she purchased in the full base game(I'm not going into the bull$hit dlc areas that were found on disc that another topic.) Player B bought the game and the dlc He or she deserves full access to all content that he or she purchased. Since player A did not buy the dlc the company decides to forcefully lock player A out of an important late/end game content for the 1st week of the dlc's release and that player well be locked out of that content 1 out of every 6 weeks (the player had was included in the full/base game(which player A purchased.) Player B is allowed access to the late/end game content since he or she purchased the dlc and the full/base game. Regardless of how you decide to attempt to word your argument Player A is losing a significant portion of the late/end game content simply because that player chose not to pay extra money for dlc. The player should still have access that end game content regardless of the dlc released(not saying people should be allowed to play the dlc strike they just should be forced to play a different strike for that week if they chose to play the nightfall.)
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The game mode is still there. You simply made the decision NOT to buy the content that was chosen to be this week's event. I'm sorry that you don't like the consequences of YOUR decision. But that doesn't make it any less of YOUR decision.
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Jeepers you are not too bright ey. Even the most money hungry franchise of the decade (Call of Duty) doesn't screw over its Non-DLC patrons by locking out content they already own in order to bully them into purchasing their so called "Expansions". None of this is right. Plus this is a video game. How difficult could it be for Bungie to patch in two separate playlists? That shits been common practise for years on consoles. Fact is Bungie doesn't want to. Its not that they aren't able to solve this issue. It is Bungie's intention to block out players who do not purchase the DLC. If Bungie were to make an honest statement on the issue it might read something like "Hey! -blam!- you! Pay us!". Whether it be for a week, a day or an hour, not being ALLOWED to play a game mode that you already own is straight up BULLSHIT!!! And ones mind must be properly brainwashed (or American) to believe that this practice is ok. This is all about greed. They want us to pay them more money so that we can keep feeling good. Feeling good is what Destiny is all about. And taking you money is what it was developed for. Whats really shitty about this is we have allowed Bungie to do so. We keep defending them thinking they will do better when in actual fact they won't. We are all idiots. IDIOTS that love this hamster wheel. Anyway off to go do my boost jumping in COD AW. Least there I can play what I own. This trolling thing is awesome. I feel like Robin Hood.
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Apparently brighter than you. Because I'm bright enough to realize that NO ONE is being "locked out" of anything other than content they didn't pay for....and you're making an apples-to-oranges comparison. The DLC for games like CoD or BF are NOTHING like the Weekly Nightfal or Heroic Strikes in Destiny. What they ARE like is the PvP equivalent of the various Destiny strike PLAYLISTS. Where players can CHOOSE which particular map or playmode they want to participate in...and people are perfectly free to play the Tiger (or other) playlist strikes this week. The Nightfall and Weekly Heroic strikes are WEEKLY EVENTS. Where ONE particular part of the game is made particularly difficult, and very valuable rewards are given to those who complete it. But only ONE strike is chosen....and you either do that strike....or forfeit your chance at those rewards. What you are basically saying is that you feel Bungie has an OBLIGATION to host a SEPERATE event each week for the benefit of THOSE customers who don't want to give them any additional money...and that they have an OBLIGATION to do this for EACH expansion they decide to realease, since there will always be people who don't buy one or more of them All so that this fraction of people----who aren't doing anything to help Bungie's bottom line----aren't 'inconvenienced" in any way. Yeah, right. I am the one who's not-so-bright. What was I thinking.....
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*golf clap* Well said sir, well said.
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You do realise the payouts previously offered by the Tiger playlist have been assigned to the new Roc playlist, which is also tied to DLC right? Simple fact is, this DLC has locked people (albeit temporarily) out of activities that were previously available to them as standard, and reverted one back to a much complained about state, with zero mitigation or recompense. Name me one single other game that does that.
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Edited by TheArtist: 12/11/2014 4:10:46 PMAll that means is that you won't get awarded content that you didn't purchase. Your rewards will come from the release versions' loot table, and the level 31 gear that was relesed to the tower vendors this week. The only thing that is locked behind the DLC paywall are those things that are DLC content.
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No, it means engrams are no longer a guaranteed payout for Tiger strikes - thats a big deal for a looter shooter. Nightfalls are a big part of the Endgame, missing that for a week is not ideal. Weekly Heroics are another big part of the Endgame, same as above. The [b]DAILY[/b] is a DLC mission today as well. So if someone ran the VoG in the last 2 days, what is left to do? No Nightfall, weekly, daily, a redundant strike playlist. Better hope they arent a PvE fan or they really are SoL. I also notice you declined my closing challenge. That alone speaks volumes.
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Yes they are a part of the endgame...but they are specific EVENTS....not "content". ..and it is UNREASONABLE to insist that your one time expenditure of $60 entitles you to your own personalized game experience. Especially compared to customers who are giving Bungie additional revenue with the DLC. What is happening to you is *unfortunate*. It is not *unfair*. You made a choice. That choice has consequences...and you are here whining that Bungie OWES you relief from the consequences of the decision YOU made of your own free will. Bottomline, is that Bungie does not *owe* you your own personalized gaming experience....and to demand that you be given one when you are not even willing to provide them with an additional cent of revenue is a case of some serious big, brass ones. I'm sorry that you're being inconvenienced. But to expect Bungie to have to craft multiple weekly events to accomodate players too cheap (sorry but lets call it what it is) to purchase additional content is just ridiculous. What are we going to have five seperate Nightfalls by the time the four expansions are released? ...and then should each nightfall offer the same rewards, or shoudl they be pro-rated on difficulty. Because the DLC strike that is this weeks night fall is harder than ANY strike that in the release version of the game.
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I have not been inconvenienced. I have the season pass. This is the equivalent of CoD partitioning off Domination, with no warning whatsoever, for the DLC crowd for a week, leaving those who didnt buy it unable to play it. But that would be harebrained right? Why should someone lose something from the base game for a week? Nightfalls, weeklies, dailies are all part of the base game. Every single other game seperates their players into pools of people who do have the DLC and those who dont. Why does this have to be different? Why couldnt Bungie do that, patch DLC owners maps to run a seperate NF, Weekly and daily rotation? I notice you still havent answered my challenge btw.
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Edited by TheArtist: 12/11/2014 4:44:57 PMThen change the appropriate "I' and "you" pronouns to "they" and "them". But my point, otherwise, remains unchanged. ...and your analogy is not valid. The various play modes in CoD are NOT like the singular weekly event that is the Nightfall/Weekly Heroic. In Domination, you always have access to every map that is within the library of content you hve paid for. So if you haven't paid fora particular map pack...you can go on playing domination with the maps you have paid for. Just like you can go on playing the Tiger list in Destiny. But THE Nightfall is a special event. It's just one that occurs every week. Where ONE strike is chosen. (I'll go back to using "you" since you've chosen to act as an advocate here. Using "they" is going to get obnoxious after awhile. ) Your situation is no different than if I looked at this week's strike and decided, "Meh, I don't like it. I don't want to do it." That doesn't mean that Bungie then owes me my own personalized strike. You still have access to the event. YOU just made a decision not to purchase the content that this weeks event is based on. ...and now you are here demanding that Bungie relieve you from the consequences of that decision. Sorry, but actions have consequences. As for your "challenge". I'm not into walking into "When did you stop beating your wife" situations. This is not about what others companies have CHOSEN to do. This is about what customer has a REASONABLE right to expect. ...and what you are demanding is OUTSIDE the realm of what is reasonable. If you were paying Bungie a monthly subscription and providing them an ongoing source of revenue, you'd have a legitimate gripe. But since you arent'....you don't. You made a choice. If you don't like the consequnces of that choice, then CHOOSE differently.
