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originally posted in: [EULA] you're screwed... too bad.
12/11/2014 2:12:39 PM
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Honestly, anyone who fails to read the license agreement gets exactly what he/she deserves. As a responsible consumer, every who uses any type of software should understand the laws which govern it, respective to where in the world that person lives. One of the larger issues in the gaming community is people do not realize that by playing a game, you have entered into a contract. Feigning ignorance on the matter does not excuse the fact that you were a party to that contract. Again, depending on jurisdiction, by installing software without reading the agreement, you are doing no differently than signing a mortgage or a motor vehicle loan without reading it. It is all about protection of rights, as well as identifying liability. This is not unique to this game, Bungie (which is already an incorrect assumption, as Activision is the license grantor, as they are the distributor/publisher), any game, or any individual piece of software. License agreements have existed for as long as you have had commercially available software, and they will continue to exist for as long as software is developed and sold. What people fail to realize, mostly by grabbing out of context blurbs for the license on the forum, is that there are multiple places where your rights, as a consumer, are clearly laid out. Consumer responsibility does not end at the point of purchase, period. This community blindly pre-orders games and content without informing themselves on multiple levels. No matter how much people hate on corporations, with a lot of it being deserved, they cannot force you to make those informed decisions that consumers make in all other facets of the commercial marketplace. As it directly applies to both Nightfall and the Weekly heroic, nothing has changed. The argument is bandied about how it has been "removed", and that is just plain wrong. The feature, both technically and legally, has always cycled through content that you had a license for. Up until Tuesday, you were licensed for all content, because that is what you had paid permission to access. What has changed is that there is content for which you are not licensed for that are going to be continued to be rotated through those features. You have rightfully been locked out of those features, which continue to function, because you have not purchased a license for the content. It is, ultimately, not about what people who have not purchased the content are failing to access, but about the fact that people who have purchased that same content should be allowed to have access to it through that same feature. No company in their right mind is going to give content away that others have paid for, nor are the going to punish people who purchased it by not showcasing it. Ultimately, there is no "new leaf" to turn over. They rewarded customer loyalty, and nothing more. Your decision to not continue on the journey and make the same purchase that I did, simply should not mean that I not be rewarded for my purchase. In fact, they should continually be looking to the future of the game and focusing on the end goal, continuing to reward those who shift their own end goals to match that of the game, as a whole. I am not trying to "rationalize" it, as you put it. More factually, I have done my research before making my purchases, I did read the license agreement beforehand, and I saw nothing any different than I would see if I bought an operating system, productivity suite, or other game.
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  • Separate playlist could have been done just like crucible and strike. They just want to annoy non dlc buyers because weekly activities are the big thing in destiny, strikes and pvp are not as important. As an owner of the license to use dlc content I don't feel my loyalty is rewarded by watching such dick move from bungie screwing non dlc buyers over.

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  • It could have been done, but they made the choice to move forward and put the effort into the moving end goal. There is no benefit for them in creating a new feature to reward people who do not make the additional purpose. From a marketing perspective, it provides incentive for them to persuade people to progress with others. Not saying that it is right or wrong, but that would be changing a feature to benefit those who chose not to make that purchase.

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  • I personally think marketing is a place of injustice and greed. Look, ur content should be made to be good so ppl want to buy, not deliberately screwing ppl not buying knowing what you offer is not attractive. I know we are not arguing wats right or wrong here. Yes is important to read T&Cs. Im just venting for my objection against this bad business practice.

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  • Fully agreed. I've never worked for any corporation where marketing was looked on in a positive fashion. People like to say how lawyers are all about subversive tactics and the pursuit of more money - but they do not even hold a candle to most corporation's marketing departments, in that regard. ;-)

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  • So, basically, you want access to the dlc without having to pay for it?

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  • I said make a separate playlist so ppl without dlc get their stuff with the content they paid for. Don't bent my meaning smart ass

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  • The old strike playlists are still there. You're asking for the playlist that came with dlc... hence wanting something more without paying for it.

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  • Whatever you say. Truth is nightfall and weekly are one of the game's most important feature, and they are gone for non dlc buyers this week. The features are gone. The already paid features are gone. For just a week or not it is gone. And it will continually to be gone at Bungie's will. Yes it is their "right" to do so in the T&Cs but it doesn't make it justified which is what my point was. Adding a separate playlist makes the whole thing justified. And guess what, the added playlist is for us dlc buyers so it is paid by us. Fact is the old weekly playlist is gone. Non dlc buyers actually got content ripped away from them. What is your argument now?

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  • Yes and no. Same playlists are there for non doc buyers. Yes, the nightfall will not be available if it is a dlc strike, they should put an old strike. You have to keep in mind this is an mmo and requires constant maintenance, which is why most mmos have a subscription or pay to win feature. The average rate of an mmo subscription is 14.99. The dlc is 20 after 3 months. I still feel like I'm getting my money's worth, from this perspective.

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  • Im not gonna start on it is mmo or not. I think not. I feel I got the main game money worth. DLC wise... Very average feeling

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  • Agreed, there could have been more to this dlc. Feels a bit lackluster.

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