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Edited by Big Rip Barney:
12/7/2014 11:16:29 PM
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Thorn And The Last Word Are Way To Strong
In my personal opinion, the Thorn and The Last Word are the strongest weapons for Crucible as it is now.
I think the Suros was a bit strong pre-patch. After patch it seems solid, until you match up against a Thorn or Last Word user of similar skill. At which point you can notice that you are unable to win battles a lot more often. Those two guns are Very Strong and the Suros does not work best in situations where the Thorn and Last Word stand out. The problem is that not only do these guns work best short range, they both compete with the Suros mid and long range.
Many of the maps now, in which I am so pleased with, have a multitude of choke points.( A.K.A. a point in which a player must go through to reach the objective) Thorn and Last Word utilize these choke points very well because many of the choke points on these "small" maps are short range playable choke points. Hand cannons work well close quarters so naturally hand cannons will have an advantage over the Suros at this range, then you take the two best hand cannons and you have a distinct battle advantage. Many Thorn and Last Word users will win the majority of their battles in this short range. So a Suros user would decide to avoid close quarters battle and only engage mid range battles. The issue is that the Thorn and Last word are still very comparable to the Suros even at mid range. And Long Range, I guess it's how you spec your weapon.
The Suros has no natural advantage over the Thorn and Last Word, and many maps "cater" to the Thorn and Last Words' natural advantage over the Suros. For this reason I believe the Thorn and Last Word to be a bit to strong.
Edit:
I only use the Suros as a comparison because, I think rather than looking at all guns Individually it would be easier to compare them to the Suros. This way we have a "base" level to look at when finding if a gun is truly over powered.
Edit 2:
Looks like the majority of you guys say no change. I definitely thought I would have more people agree with me than disagree. If people are happy with the gun don't change it, that has always been my view point when it comes to keeping weapons fun and relevant in a game.
Thanks for your guys input.
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3 RepliesThey already got nerfs, especially with the general hand cannon nerf. Besides, Thorn isn't even Year 2, and my scout rifle beats TLW due to its poor range. If they are nerfed again they'll be like Nechrochasm before the buff. The point of weapon balance is for everything to be a viable choice.
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Also the poster quit during dark below because he has 32s and a 13
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This is from December last year aka dark below and people are still posting
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If they change it in PvP they change it in PvE. It's perfect for PvE and that's all I play. Grow some balls/skills and suck it up!
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No way now that they gave us xbox users hawkmoon that is the premier crucible hand cannon. The ladt word was boss in year 1. But it got nerfed hardcore. By the time its in its range to crush an enemy youve been blasted away by a shotty. Thorn is still ok but the dot isnt what it used to be. Hawkmoon for the win!!
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3 RepliesI honestly think last word needs an accuracy (not range) buff, and if bungie is being generous 1-2 more rounds in the mag. The raid hand cannon has the same rate of fire and more impact.
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6 Replies
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This post is so December 2014.
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Let's just pretend like this topic wasn't resurrected from the pits of frustration. TLW is not OP because it's only truly effective at short to medium range. Thorn is finally where it should be after its 6 shot mag and astoundingly slow reload speed previous to the update. Both still lose out to autos regularly. Suros is beastly in PvP when used by an experienced player. So is every exotic for that matter. They're freaking exotics.
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1 ReplyWouldn't matter if you nerfed every hand cannon anyway as 95℅ of the scrubs that play only use 2 weapons. Yea you guessed it, shotgun and fusion riffle. Yawn
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Pick both guns up if you can. And see what you think. Te last word is only close to medium and thorn is just thorn I guess. With the thorn you need the headshot bonus otherwise it will be a 4 shot kill. So if someone keeps killing you with it in 2 shots their aiming for the head which you need skill for to do sort of.
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Stfu you lames. Play the game and get over it. (I don't use either of those guns btw). And I still reck house!
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stop stop stop STOOOOOOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ALL exotics are op. that's what exotics are for!!! They are stronger than legendarys but they r perfectly balanced exotics. People complain about vex, suros, last word, thorn, pocket, and more! Why nerf all exotics there will be no more
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funniest thing to vote and see the numbers...lost my shit for real
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They're hand cannons, that's like me complaining about scout rifles, they are supposed to be powerful.
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You know what to do meg
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1 Reply*looks at poll result* LOL
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Lol why does everyone want to nerf everything. Thats so gay.
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2 Repliesyet another crybaby asking for a nerf because they can't seem to adapt. everytime crybabies get killed by something or whenever they get outplayed by their opponents they come to the forums crying for a nerf on a gun they never used or simply lack the skill to use. never fails.....OP, grow a pair!
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YOUR CRUSHING THEM, SEND THEM HOME CRYING ON THE FORUMS!!
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18 RepliesLmfao all this bitching about thorn and lastword Thorn had always been able to two shot then poision kills Lastword is just for garbagenplayers looking for that spary and pray But none of you even know the real danger here , seems most of you bitching are from xbox simply cause the Hawkmoon is the dominate gun in this game period. Hawkmoon + two headshots = rage quit Haekmoon takes a simple steady hand and decent aim and dominates the vex , last word , thorn , and suros easily. All guns are op in their own way , thorn can hit two targets at once , last word simply hip fire at point blank ( basicly shotgun range ) Hawkmoon requires you to not miss so those boosted bullets deal damage . Each gun type requires different skills as a gamer and handcannons are useless if you cant get headshots. Basicly what i saying is SHUT THE HELL UP YOU NERF CRUTCH PANSIES
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U probably just Don't have the guns. Therefore u try to ruin everyone elses experience
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Nevwe see those two in the crucible. Suros and mythoclast all the way.
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Lmao I prefer the fatebringer to those two does a lot more dmg and kills a hell of alot faster
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3 RepliesI don't know if you heard, but Thorn was bad up untill the buff. If you nerf it right after you buff it...
