You're an idiot man.... I've glitched atheon of course but, why wouldn't I? Seems impossible to find a good group. I am more than capable of doing anything this game throws at me but when the groups I find can't even work together on something as simple as the gorgon maze how am I expected to get any loot off atheon, especially hard mode. I'm going to take advantage while I can so that, when I finally find a solid group, I actually have some gear. Get it together people this raid is a cakewalk if u just fricken work together.

Mostly treating everyone with respect.

See, your issue is jumping to baseless conclusions. You extracted so much negative content out of so few of my words. I called you a dick in the first place because you were quick to blame someone you don't even know of something they coudn't have possibly done. And you continue with negative outbursts and hostility to other members of the community. While I said pushing Atheon off the edge is a smart strategy, I did not say whether I approve or deny of the strategy. You came to your own conclusion about what you thought my stance was on the situation. You're wrong for that. Let me elaborate on that topic though. I do think pushing Atheon off is clever. It's using common sense to come up with a solution to a problem. Think about it... Can't you fall off the edge on VoG? Yes. Is that cheating on Atheon's part? No, but we could argue it is since you think pushing him off is cheating. So now it's unfair for me to play against Atheon because I can fall off the edge, but he can't. Let's talk about grenades... When an enemy throws a grenade at me, I will back away, and sometimes I might fall off an edge doing so, depending on the map. So it's common sense to want to try it on Atheon. And for those players that did, bravo to them, that was clever on their part. So, collectively, throwing grenades and falling off an edge are not cheating in any context of this game. If, however, players found a way to hide inside a wall and not take damage from Atheon while constantly barraging him, then yes, that is ABSOLUTELY cheating. Now we have to move on to the other part of this. Is it the way Bungie wanted us to kill Atheon? No. It's obvious now because they're patching it. That doesn't negate the fact that it's a clever strategy. Let me define Strategy for you: "a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim." Does pushing Atheon off the edge achieve a major or overall aim? Yes. That can't be argued. Do you get it now? Don't read between the lines next time and assume you know what the other person is trying to say when you don't know shit.

The vex was nerfed cause so many people were bitching how good it was in pvp

Um I don't have it and I was just saying this to everyone so they knew if that's how they planned on beating the vault.