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10/16/2014 1:57:47 AM
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Know how I know you're a moron? You're trying to compare the mechanics of real life to a game about the future and space wizards.
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Edited by Bananapuddin86: 10/16/2014 2:08:12 AMYou know how I know you're a moron it is the future and shotguns are worse than 17th century weapons and you are telling me that shotgun is the "future"? Yes it is not real, but the shotguns are still for the most part using the same tech we have IRL today. And if they actually use a shotgun in the future where we can FLY through SPACE, and it fires like a blunderbuss from the 17th century there is a problem. If one thing history has proven weapons get worse over time right? If you didn't understand that was sarcasm.
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Maybe that's because it's a -blam!-ing video game, you ever think of that? Why stop there? Why even have human combatants? Why have infantry? Why not solve everything with orbital strikes or drones? Why? Because it would make a really shitty VIDEO GAME, dumbass. Stop posting, stop playing, and go outside. You're starting to become delusional.
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This game actually takes place in Bungies word in our world in our lives, it takes place after humans golden age. It is suppose to be in OUR future. Humanities future. Yes it is a game, but if you are basing it off of actual gun types and basing it on the supposed human future, since the weapons are based off our actual weapons they should be enhanced versions or at least be just as good. Go back to your crucible matches huntard.
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It's all about the armor bruh. This isn't cod we're wearing a full armor suit.
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Couldn't help but notice you didn't understand the part where this is a video game. There are decisions made based off having fun and balance rather than how they mesh with real world mechanics. I don't understand why I thought you were at least that intelligent, but apparently automatically patching up bullet holes, coming back to life, and -blam!-ing SPACE ALIENS didn't clue you in on this.
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Which is why this post was started, the shotgun is not balanced in PVE with the recent nerf because of PVP it is worse now than it was before. Which goes back to my original comparison to shotguns in real life, because the shotgun in game is no fun in PVE because it is useless and unbalanced. The reason I talked about a shotgun in real life was to give people an idea of what a shotgun can do and what the shotgun in PVE should do. So we are back where we started. Your thoughts now?
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No, we're still at the part where you are trying desperately to compare the ballistics to a real life firearm to pixels on a video game. Your simile fails on its face because of one simple problem: [b]Destiny is a -blam!-ing video game.[/b] Also I have no problem with a shotgun on PVE. Works awesome for breaking oracles in Vault of Glass.
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Especially when you can deal more damage meleeing the enemy than with your actual shotgun. So why use the shotgun. If the shotgun is weaker than a titan punch, a fist blast from warlock or a knife then we have some weak ass shotguns.
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Edited by Bananapuddin86: 10/16/2014 2:31:43 AMYour 1 clear of vault of glass. Try using a shotgun in a nightfall or a weekly. When other weapons can take enemies out from short to long range with pretty good ease, the shotgun you have to be up in the enemies face no matter what. Which the shotgun should still be decent at mid rage which it is not. And the nerf of 20% damage fall off at its range makes it even worse. There, no comparison with real life now stfu about it being a game. It doesn't matter if it is a game the shotgun in this GAME is shit and needs to be fixed. If it is only useful for oracles that is a situational weapon instead of a weapon you can use like every other weapon in the game 100% of the time. Every other weapon in the game is viable for everything. It needs to be addressed.
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Funny you mention Nightfalls and weekly strikes: shotguns are amazing for these because they deal a huge amount of damage with lots of rounds to spare and best of all its all elemental. Nothing clears trash mobs like a shotgun. I'm guessing you need to learn how to play. I would think since you're apparently an expert at PvE you would know something so simple. Then again I'm trying to point this out to someone that tried to compare the mechanics of a video game with space magic to real life. Actually I want more info on that. You claim Shotguns should have clearly evolved right? Can you tell me what kind of wound a modern age shotgun would deal to an Alien's armor? What is their armor even made of? What kind of round is packed into the shell is a futuristic shotgun to cause that much damage? Actually Shotguns, Fusion Rifles, and Sniper Rifles all refill ammo from the same pick up so maybe the shotgun is firing multiple battery powered sniper rifle rounds and just can't compete in damage because of the lack of rifling and barrel length? That could almost explain how a -blam!-ing shotgun does, "void damage". Wait is that something that exists in real life, something we will develop in 700 years, or space magic? What exactly is void damage? Is it a tangible thing like Fire? Where does it come from? How does a shotgun fit all that into a shell? Are they even using shells? Maybe it's battery based? Wait the Assault Rifle you pick up in the beginning of the game looks like a normal modern-day AR platform weapon, and it does the least amount of damage. Then again the Strangers Rifle is made from futuristic parts that haven't yet been manufactured and yet it still doesn't deal even remotely close to the same damage as other weapons you find in the time when Destiny is taking place, so how does that explain shotgun damages? Or maybe you are just a -blam!-ing moron. Stop posting.
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If you think shotguns are amazing at nightfall then you must never do them. If you think you can just run up to an enemy or a group of enemies without dying almost instantly then you have no idea what you are talking about. Yea the nightfall last week with all 3 elemental burns, I would love to see you post a video of you running up to anything in there shotgunning. Maybe that is why in your nightfall strikes that you did you have the highest deaths and the lowest kills. You sir are the moron.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that you're trying to insult me via my stats in Strikes, which by the way in nearly every single one (including pubs) I'm not only using different weapons to gain XP but also on top of the leader boards in nearly all of them, while hiding in an account that has no history playing the game. Following your logic, you've never even played the game. Which reflects your lack of knowledge and inability to utilize cover in order to get within shotgun distance. It makes perfect sense now, actually.
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Edited by Bananapuddin86: 10/16/2014 3:08:33 AMI am not hiding behind an account that has no history of playing the game you might want to check again 29 Titan 28 Hunter and 25 Warlock, duoed This weeks nightfall with 0 deaths with my hunter with 133 kills, and 2 death with my Titan with 126 kills. And you say utilize cover to get to enemies that just shows you don't know what you are talking about lmfao. okay utilize your cover, sneak up to a shielded captain with a yellow life bar I would love to see him turn when your shit pellets hit him and he rips your face off with his shotgun. Hell not even a yellow life bar captain, just a normal one. 99% of your time has been in crucible, why don't you stay there and stop talking about a game mode you know nothing about.
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Yeah that account right there states it hasn't played Destiny, nice try though. Not only had that account not played destiny, but it's too bad they don't show the time elapsed per strike. While you're sitting there across the map waiting for ammo to regen on your Ice Breaker so you can have all these amazing stats you apparently have, I'm popping shields for the rest of my team and completing objectives incredibly fast because at the end of the day nobody gives a shit about how well you can abuse a shitty AI which is why nobody cares about what PvE'ers think when it comes to balance. Literal trash. Keep up the ad-hominem and all this gloating about how apparently great you are when you can't even effectively use a shotgun.
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Hmm considering on my Titan I am defender spec and pop down Weapons of Light for my team every time it is up, and we beat the nightfall in about 20 minutes I would say that I am not sitting in the back jerking off like you with your pitiful kills in your strikes. I guess that says a lot about you since I am defender bubbling my team and still getting the highest kills hmm interesting. Also I like to switch weapons a lot during playing, I like Atheons Epilogue/ Thorn/ Suros, The Supremacy/ THE BOSS/ Ice breaker (that you knew I had but said my account was not shown, so how can you see it), then I have a normal legendary rocket launcher and a Gjallahorn. Which I switch up all the time using. I never sit down and wait for anything I am always killing or luring enemies to the open and supporting my team. Troll somewhere else.
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I think the one trolling is the one using nothing but straw man and ad-hominem to try to prove a point. Here's a tip, when you're bringing up a bunch of anecdotes and tying to use them as support for your argument, you have failed. In the long run the only thing that matters is some kid is sitting here trying to compare the Shotguns used to kill aliens in a futuristic video game to real life and no amount of stats is going to change that. I'm honestly surprised you haven't tried to delete that off your post, but I guess you are the same idiot that wrote that. Go cry somewhere else.
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Edited by Bananapuddin86: 10/16/2014 3:49:54 AMSo you are going back to that argument again because you can't think of anything else to say? I have put multiple examples of RL and Non-real life comparisons to the shotgun. Which both make sense, and yet you have nothing to say other than blah blah blah shotguns in the game are not real life. Yet the sniper, the AR, the fusion rifle, the rocket launcher, the machine gun, the scout rifle, the pulse rifle, can all kill enemies in nightfall and raids pretty easy. The only weapon that can not do that is the shotgun. Don't be mad that someone called out your horrible skill in PVE content, and called your bullshit on shotguns not being a viable option in harder pve. Also just so you can see. That is a duo of nightfall on my hunter with the stats I stated earlier. So like I said multiple times go back to your crucible matches and bugger off.
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You keep bringing up my, "horrible" PVE skill (because wasting hours of your time to abuse a poorly driven AI is considering skill when rushing and completing everything as fast as possible isn't), and yet again you dig yourself another hole. All you are really doing is admitting you can't use the weapon, which is proven by the fact you are still sitting here complaining about it. And apparently Hand Cannons do worse based on your list, so now Everyone knows where your skill level is at when it comes to PVE, which is also probably proven by the fact you keep talking about how good you are on an account that hasn't played destiny and brought in someone else's stats to try and make a point (WHO'S THAT FALLACY?!). At the end of the day you're still a moron that's sitting here crying about how shotguns don't work the same in the video game as they do in Wikipedia. Shotguns work fine for clearing trash mobs, especially those like Harpys and Shanks that have shields. Stop trying to use them against, "yellow life bar captains". Actually just learn how to play in general.
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Rushing and completing hmm, I believe I stated that I also rush and beat it within 20 minutes? You obviously also have a hard time, do you understand English or should I try to put it into a language that you will understand? Should I start to spell things out for you slowly so you can keep up? Also an account I brought in from someone else? That is a permalink from the bungie website from my account. It has my PSN ID on it. I also said even normal red bar captains after yellow captains even then every other weapon in the game I could use against a yellow captain so why not shotgun? Again it seems like you can't understand simple english, and with your use of Anecdotes and ad hominem (doesn't have a hyphen nice try though) it just makes it look like you were trying to go to a thesaurus to look up words to make yourself sound smarter than you actually are. You said that you use shotguns in nightfall, and that they work just fine, I used your stats to say otherwise, if shotgun worked fine people wouldn't have that many deaths, which puts your team mates in bad situations where they are down a man and have to get your ass up off the ground because your shotgun worked so well against enemies you said it works so well against. Also shotguns don't work in wikipedia that is an information site words vs real life from your own words moron xD Also why don't you go ahead and read the the name of the topic again, the shotgun was just an example. In my opinion I would like them to do this to all future nerfs, they need to be separated. Now lets talk about your harpies and shanks, yet again this goes back to what I said before, that all other weapons can take them out easier than shotguns without having to "run to cover" and inch your way up to them to shoot them point blank with shotgun. Why go through all that when you can use a fusion rifle, sniper rifle, scout rifle, hand cannon, AR, pulse rifle, from 20 feet+ away.
