No, weapons with high fire rate don't deal the same damage as slower ones. Weapons still keep their individual impact/range/stability/reload stats, they just lose their attack modifiers. The attack modifier is basically a multiplier for a weapons damage. Remove that, and all weapons are essentially at level 0. That is how it works. Your impact still has an impact. Also, as Demonwarfare pointed out, you pretty much said everything is OP. You pointed out the Hunter, Titan, fusion rifles, shotguns, LMGS, scout rifles, sniper rifles(on some maps-whut?), pulse rifles. You're pretty much saying everything in the game is OP. I have also seen many threads complaining about the Warlock being OP. If we take your giant list of OP (practically every character/weapon) and combine it with all the other complaints on the forum, it would appear that EVERYTHING is OP. And just because you played a lot of the alpha and beta doesn't really qualify you to start complaining about balancing iffy things such as abilities. I'm certain when I say you have less than a week of actual crucible play time under your belt. The people that balanced and created this played it for MONTHS on end.

[quote]and thats just being dumb READ im not saying everything is OP im staying a good number of things are. and as for Perspective i was in the -blam!-ING ALPHA AND BETA i had more than enough time to play Cruisble matches also just played a few more games and anything with high rate of fire deals as much damage as anything with low rate of fire but kills MUCH faster[/quote] According to u what isnt OP cuz u just about listed the entire game. Theres no need to get upset this is all just a conversation. Also if 2 guns have the same damage and one has a faster fire rate it would logically make sense the higher fire rate gun would win. I dont see ur point there