You forgot so much stuff in your calculation

Yeah I did but Star Wars already won without it all

[quote]thousands of these ships[/quote] Forerunners had billions; hell the terms "trillions of ship-killing drones" is standard to them. [quote]star forge[/quote] Child's play, Forerunner industry obsoletes this thing. [quote]lightsaber[/quote] lol. Forerunners have such weaponry,but that hardly matters when a Seeker battle suit is nuking your continent from the air. [quote]both death stars[/quote] Again, boring and standard. Forerunner warships regularly destroyed stars to wipe out solar systems faster. Hell, a disgruntled Forerunner blue collar worker shattered a planet out of spite once.

[quote]That's cute. Meanwhile, the Force itself grants Force Sensitives the ability to shield themselves from unlimited power (source: Fate of the Jedi series). What do you think the Forerunners will be able to do except die? Force Sensitives have the ability to transcend the physical realm of existence and create wormholes that were able to tear apart space-time itself.[/quote]

[quote]What the Forerunner fight are The Old Republic, New Republic, Galactic Empire, all Sith Empires, the Vong, Confederacy of Independent Systems in star wars. The Star Wars Galaxy has all their super weapons, and they are all fully constructed.[/quote] OP said these are what they face, not Force Ghosts or any eldritch abominations or gods (such things were explicitly ruled out). I am debating as per the rules of the OP; if you feel the need to pull on omnipotence, and spewing no-limits fallacies which was not included in the OP's rules just to keep your side afloat, then you have already lost the thread.

No, the OP said no celestial. The Force doesn't fall under that as the OP said Star Wars empires at their peaks, meaning force users who were part of, fought for, and controlled these empires

Yes, and what that doesn't include are eldritch abominations or anything else that doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of one of those Empire's laws. Sidious, Dooku, Vitate, yes they are all count. Abeloth? The Ones? Hell they were Celestial themselves. Even if they weren't, they wouldn't count. Unless Imperial Law somehow covers Force Ghosts, they aren't to be used.

OP only limited it to Celestials. It's not Force Ghosts or gods. It's the power that the Force grants its users. These are facts clearly defined in novels. And I'm including everything that was active in those organizations and time periods. If you want a fair fight, go Sci-Fi vs Sci Fi, not Sci-Fi vs Sci-Fi/Mysticism Face facts and admit that the Forerunners can't stand up to the power that the Force offers.

[quote]The Celestials weren't even technically tangible entities prior to 1,000,000 BBY (in essence they were similar to the Sublimed in the Culture novels), it was only until three of them materialized as the Ones did they begin to impact the galaxy at large through direct force. [/quote]

[quote]"the Ones are what the Celestials become."[/quote] They aren't Celestials. Not anymore.

But they [i]were[/i], which nullifies their existence in this VS.

If these people were as powerful as you claim, they would still be around. As it stands, in all my years of being a Star Wars fanatic, I have never heard of such powers being used as to make someone immortal, invincible, immune or invulnerable. Vitate was the closest anyone came and he can still be cut down by a lightsaber. In all the vs. threads I've been in, I have never heard of any of this, and Star Wars is the most heavily versed thread out there. [quote] Face facts and admit that the Forerunners can't stand up to the power that the Force offers.[/quote] What I have picked up in my time reading vs. threads is that absolutist comments like this speak of bias, and suspect fanboyism for the favored side. Perhaps some in context examples will provide some light. For the record, a mystic Force user blowing up a planet and a Forerunner doing it with a ship is still the same feat, except Force users that powerful are in relative extreme short order.

[quote]If these people were as powerful as you claim, they would still be around.[/quote] Could say the same for the precursors and most of the forerunners.

I suggest you read up on it some more, then. The only reason they aren't around is because of the whole "I am the Chosen One Prophet and I'm holier than Thou because Lucas' plot demands it." And even then, they could only be truly killed by the Dagger of Mortis. Read the Fate of the Jedi series. It goes into detail all of the blatant overpowered nature of the Force. It's not fanboyism. It's how ridiculously the authors decided to trump up the Force.

Yes I know of the Ones. They are Celestial. But I ask again: do any of these beings fall under the jurisdiction of any of the above Empires? I know Abeloth(spelling?) for example, does not, as she was in fact the Mother of the Ones based on my readings of Wookieepedia. If none of them fall under the Empires listed in the OP then they can't be used. Also: what exactly is stopping the Forerunners from simply nuking the SW galaxy from a few hundred thousand light years away with Omega Halo?

They were Celestials, and then they evolved. They became something more. They are what the Celestials BECOME. In layman terms: They were, and now they aren't. Fine, don't count Abaloth. Doesn't change the outcome, at all. The power of the Force can still trump anything the Forerunners use. Since they're manifestations of the light and dark side, they're involved in every conflict. Their power is being used by any and all that use Force powers. The Force has the ability to create hyperspace wormholes, tearing apart the fabric of space-time. Forerunners fire their Halo, SW blocks it by creating a hyperspace wormhole in the space beyond their galaxy. They can't even be invaded this way.

[quote]They were Celestials, and then they evolved. They became something more. They are what the Celestials BECOME. In layman terms: They were, and now they aren't. Fine, don't count Abaloth. Doesn't change the outcome, at all. The power of the Force can still trump anything the Forerunners use. Since they're manifestations of the light and dark side, they're involved in every conflict. Their power is being used by any and all that use Force powers. The Force has the ability to create hyperspace wormholes, tearing apart the fabric of space-time. Forerunners fire their Halo, SW blocks it by creating a hyperspace wormhole in the space beyond their galaxy. They can't even be invaded this way.[/quote] And still all I'm seeing is a lot of vague fanwank and very little real substance. Creating weaponized wormholes is also a feat of the Forerunners. Whether or not it is done by "mystics" is irrelevant, the feat is the same. The shear scale of the Forerunners (billions of planet killers, trillions even if one counted drones) would make up for any kind of discrepancy. Even the most powerful force user isn't omnipotent. Here are some feats I know of. Destroying planets, destroying a sun (under specific circumstance), creating force storms and wormholes to eat fleets and other such relatively small scale attacks are all considered enormously noteworthy to Star Wars. All of which easily achieved by the Forerunners, and done far, far more regularly by normal people no less. So no I'm still not seeing it. Nothing you have said so far is impressive; hell they can even make the Halos impervious to damage by suspending itself in a fractal dimension so even invulnerability isn't unheard of. You make it sound like these overpowered super beings are common in Star Wars. They aren't, most haven't even heard of them and they certainly aren't coordinated enough or numerous enough to take on an empire of star busting, galaxy killing Demi gods with light cruisers designed to kill planets. Will they cause major damage? Yes. But the Forerunners would have to be sitting on their ass to be laid low by it. That's assuming these mega beings are even in this fight; saying "well the Son is a dark force conduit and the Sith use dark forces so he's in" is stretching it the nth degree. I could look at Halo and say "well Halos use neural physics to destroy the essence of life and neural physics is a Precursor science so the Precursors are relevant" and that line of thinking would be just as valid. Which is why we can only use things that are explicitly under the jurisdiction of the relative empires legally; qui-gon jin is not part of the new republic because he is dead, force ghost or not. He is only relevant as he is alive. Let's look at the halos while we are at it. You say that they'll "block it" which only proves to me you don't know the Forerunners well enough to debate against them. You can't " block" Halo, it explicitly ignores the boundaries of space and time; born stellar was reading reports and witnessing the effects of Halo [i]before[/i] he fired it because of this. It killed Path Kethona, a nearby galaxy hundreds of thousands of light years away in one blast, the instant it fired. No physical boundary, be it worm hole or brick wall, can actually block a Halo blast. This is why Forerunners created pocket universes and sub-dimensions to hide away from Because the only way to survive Halo is literally to leave the universe or get out of range, which it so far unknown for the original 12. So sitting outside the Galaxy, throwing the parking break and burning it from a safe distance is still a viable strategy, one all of the Force users in the galaxy can't prevent. Unless you mean to tell me now that Force users can teleport the galaxy into a pocket universe.

Giving me reason to exclude this ridiculous, near childish addition from this versus.