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6/7/2014 2:09:10 AM
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May I just say Sweden or Switzerland (forget which) everyone has combat training and a gun and no one invades them so that must also mean crime is low since everyone has a gun and knows how to use it
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You are only allowed to buy a gun in Sweden if it's for hunting purposes and they have to be stored in a locker. I'm 18 now and the only guns I've seen in person have been in museums and on police officers.
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I think you may be thinking of Israel where its mandatory citizens there serve in the military.
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Wrong. Switzerland has a militia of the people instead of an army, so everyone has to go through mandatory military training. But your ordinary civilian needs to keep their weapon locked away at home and Switzerland has a very strict ammo policy. Basically, you can't do anything with your gun other than keep it in a safe at home until the government calls upon you to protect the country.
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Wrong, they have strict regulations on purchasing ammo, and you are allowed to take your gun anywhere provided you have the license for it.
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No government issued ammo though. And the license requires you to have a very good reason to publicly carry, meaning that they basically give it out to people working in private security.
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Source? I'm not seeing anything on requirements, and that reason wouldn't make sense since everyone technically is in security.
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Edited by Flee: 6/8/2014 10:12:45 AMThe keyword being "private" security. From Wiki:[quote] To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors ... a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security. Conditions for getting a Carrying Permit There are three conditions: -fulfilling the conditions for buying a permit -stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger -passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon[/quote][url=http://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classified-compilation/19983208/index.html]Source[/url] from the Swiss government, albeit only available in French or German.
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You don't think some of them break the law just in case
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I'm sure some do, but carrying their weaopns in public will in all likelihood lead to being arrested. I doubt the few who break the rules are the cause of the low crime rate in the country.
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Well the police force has military training so no one wants to oppose that
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Which is completely irrelevant to whether or not civilians are allowed to carry guns.
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I'm saying that's why crime is lower there. There are two arguments between us right now.
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Edited by Flee: 6/8/2014 10:59:26 AMOne of which isn't even an argument, because I never said anything about the military training that the police received and how it would affect crime. All I'm trying to do is debunk the moronic argument "but look at Switezrland!" that the pro-gun crowd likes to use. Yes, people own a lot of guns in Switzerland. But they are to be locked away and most of all, people don't get to own bullets for them. They can't carry their guns in public and they can't even use them unless the country is being invaded and the government calls upon the people as a militia. Getting a public carry permit is only open to the select few who have a good reason to do so, mainly working in private security.
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If that were true then during most wars they would have invaded Switzerland because they would have the arms to defend themselves but lack the bullets which mean if you strike fast from all sides you would easily win so I'm calling most or some of your info bs because if it was true history would be different than what it is
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Laws are subject to change. You can't invade a mountainous country fast enough. You can't walk into another country and use them as a staging point to invade another country unless that first country was already controlled by you.
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Not sure if you're grasping the concept that laws are subject to change, and that Switzerland's gun policy now is different than it was 60 years ago, but [url=http://concealed.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/switzerland-strips-all-citizens-of-gun-rights/]here you go.[/url] It's even from a pro-gun website. Happy?
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Um I'm not really pro gun but I don't see any reason to outlaw or ban guns
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Edited by Flee: 6/7/2014 4:14:04 PMWell that is a conversation for another time. Just getting a common misconception about Switzerland out of the way for now.
