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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
4/27/2014 3:18:21 AM
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Communist.
Communism is the universal emancipation of mankind from all forms of oppression. It is the negation of all existing social orders and it is the end goal that we all must strive toward if we want to end the contradictions of class society.
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IIRC from reading Marx, one of the stated goals of Communism is the withering away of the state. Unless you're some sort of Marxist-Leninist with elitist ideas about a "vanguard party" leading the proletariat forward, how do you think that your system can [i]survive[/i], let alone actually work?
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[quote]IIRC from reading Marx, one of the stated goals of Communism is the withering away of the state.[/quote] Marx never used the phrase "withering away of the state." Engles coined the phrase in [i]Anti-Duhring[/i], but Marx wrote about the proletariat's ability to forge its own destiny (see [i]The Civil War in France[/i] for example). In terms of how it "would survive," I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about how it would protect itself from outside threats, how it would meet the needs of the people, or what? You're not very clear...
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Edited by Drowsy Demon: 5/2/2014 8:39:17 AMHuh you're right. I really don't know where that came from. Yet being stateless is still an intended goal, right? By survive, however, I mean survive from external enemies. How would a bunch of decentralized worker communes effectively fight them off? Without a central authority dictating how much equipment is needed how could the logistics work?
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[quote]Yet being stateless is still an intended goal, right?[/quote] Yes. Communists strive to liberate humanity from all oppressive institutions, be it the state, capitalism, patriarchy, etc. [quote]By survive, however, I mean survive from external enemies.[/quote] On the most basic level, probably guerilla warfare, but that would be unlikely to actually defeat any invading force. Regardless, the best mindset is not to structure a society around paranoid fears of invasion, but instead to actually create communities that maximize freedom. Besides, any real revolution should take on a global and super-national characteristic, and revolution should occur in the most developed industrial nations (which are the countries with the strongest drive for militarism).
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Edited by Drowsy Demon: 5/3/2014 8:23:55 AM[quote] On the most basic level, probably guerilla warfare, but that would be unlikely to actually defeat any invading force. Regardless, the best mindset is not to structure a society around paranoid fears of invasion, but instead to actually create communities that maximize freedom. Besides, any real revolution should take on a global and super-national characteristic, and revolution should occur in the most developed industrial nations (which are the countries with the strongest drive for militarism).[/quote] Unfortunately history has proven that that will not necessarily happen, since Russia launched on its own little experiment when Germany and Britain had been predicted as the likeliest candidates first. Thus it's likely that bar a simultaneous global revolution, of which the chances are absurdly slim at the moment, there will still be capitalist states in existence at the time of revolution and they will inevitably attempt to suppress the socialists. That's not even considering the fact that the military and militia units in highly developed countries like the US have more false consciousness and are likelier to side with counter-revolutionary forces than the civilian population. Allende tried to go through the democratic route and his own military turned on him before implementing a dictatorship to quickly exterminate the remaining leftist resistance.
