But they are OBV not including the whole game, so what are you trying to say?

And how do you obviously know they won't add everything? This could actually be a real beta, where we test [u]all[/u] the systems. Not some 1-2 map demo that people think are betas.

I would not be surprised if we saw all the maps, but no company would ever launch a full game as a beta, I don't know what to tell you if you actually think they would do that. Beta's are for testing, not for our enjoyment, although you may enjoy them if you get over the "beta-ness" of it.

[quote]but no company would ever launch a full game as a beta.[/quote] Hmmm, lets see, there is every game made by Blizzard, where the beta is the full game. Along with most PC exclusive titles. But I wouldn't expect half of this forum to understand that seeing as they've never been apart of PC gaming, only the diluted console "betas" which are just demos. Named a beta so people don't rage when the server issues occur, and the low resolution texture packages. Look up StarBound, it has been in beta for close to a year now, and everything in the game is available, so we can [u]test everything[/u]. [quote]Beta's are for testing, not for our enjoyment, although you may enjoy them if you get over the "beta-ness" of it.[/quote] You think I don't know that? I can guarantee you I've been in more closed Alphas and Betas than you have, where I purposefully try to find ways to break the game.

Ok, we can argue all we want, but here's the deal, if the beta includes the full game (full campaign, all locations, most equipment, all missions) then you are right, if not I am right. ALSO, [quote]But I wouldn't expect half of this forum to understand that seeing as they've never been apart of PC gaming[/quote] Don't be a PC elitist, [u]please[/u].