[quote] No shit, but that doesn't mean we can't have a[b] less intrusive [/b]immigration policy in a country founded on immigration. [/quote] The Tea Party agrees. We want reform, just not the ones the leftists advocate. [quote][quote]6. Government must be downsized. 7. The national budget must be balanced.[/quote] They are inherently contradictory terms. You cannot reasonably downsize the government or balance the national budget without some reduction in military spending.[/quote] Yes you can. [quote][quote] 4. Special interests must be eliminated. [/quote] Irony coming from an organization that has taken over by corporations and super PACs. [/quote] There's a difference between "taken over" and people voluntarily associating themselves with the party bc they like the idea of a BoR, Constitution, and a balanced budget. [quote][quote] 8. Deficit spending must end. 9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. [/quote] Just because? Austerity was debunked with the outing of that fraudulent paper years ago. There is no basis for this. [/quote] >See Constitution. [quote][quote] 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. [/quote] I agree, but: [quote] 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. [/quote] This is literally a direct contradiction. Demanding that "Intrusive government must be stopped!" while simultaneously going with family values* is hilariously stupid, and can be considered a form of doublethink. Even the language requirement is an unusual addition and waste of government money; but funnily enough when it comes to jingoism or nationalism and government, the Tea Party will kindly throughout their previous "values" in order to continue giving everyone the impression that the "dark ominous cloud of racism"** still lurks behind them. [/quote]Encourage =/= enforce via govt coervion. Should I define "encourage" and "enforce" for you? They're not contradictory, bc when we say govt needs to be less intrusive, we mean just that. If I say we should encourage people not to use drugs, do you automatically think we'd want the govt to crack a whip on the backs of pot heads? lol. Also, nice leftist msnbc race-baiting rhetoric at the end there. [quote]TLDR: The important stuff is contradictory. [/quote] Not at all. [quote]They are just cherry-picking the parts of the government they like, mostly to use against minorities, of course.[/quote] Hey look, more msnbc delusional rhetoric. That statement applies more so to the leftists.

[quote]The Tea Party agrees. We want reform, just not the ones the leftists advocate.[/quote]Right because upping border patrol funding to 40 billion isn't excessive. Especially when they say they want to balance the budget. [quote]Yes you can.[/quote]Not when your military spending is 43% of all military spending in the entire world. [quote]There's a difference between "taken over" and people voluntarily associating themselves with the party bc they like the idea of a BoR, Constitution, and a balanced budget.[/quote]Then they should learn more about all of those. And considering the GOP's approval rating is at 26% and the Tea Party's is 30% I wouldn't say letting these people take over was a good idea. Especially since this was a movement started by regular people. [quote] [quote][quote] 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. [/quote] I agree, but: [quote] 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. [/quote] This is literally a direct contradiction. Demanding that "Intrusive government must be stopped!" while simultaneously going with family values* is hilariously stupid, and can be considered a form of doublethink. Even the language requirement is an unusual addition and waste of government money; but funnily enough when it comes to jingoism or nationalism and government, the Tea Party will kindly throughout their previous "values" in order to continue giving everyone the impression that the "dark ominous cloud of racism"** still lurks behind them. [/quote]Encourage =/= enforce via govt coervion. Should I define "encourage" and "enforce" for you? They're not contradictory, bc when we say govt needs to be less intrusive, we mean just that. If I say we should encourage people not to use drugs, do you automatically think we'd want the govt to crack a whip on the backs of pot heads? lol. Also, nice leftist msnbc race-baiting rhetoric at the end there. [quote]TLDR: The important stuff is contradictory. [/quote] Not at all.[/quote]It is contradictory when they're trying to ban gay marriage and keep them from adopting kids. And yes they are racist. The Voter ID laws make this pretty clear. [quote][quote]They are just cherry-picking the parts of the government they like, mostly to use against minorities, of course.[/quote] Hey look, more msnbc delusional rhetoric. That statement applies more so to the leftists.[/quote]I refer you again to Voter ID laws and the sort of things that the Tea Party has often said about Obama and recommend you Google "racist tea party signs." You'll find a bunch.

[quote][quote]The Tea Party agrees. We want reform, just not the ones the leftists advocate.[/quote]Right because upping border patrol funding to 40 billion isn't excessive. Especially when they say they want to balance the budget.[/quote]It isn't excessive considering defining and protecting our borders is important. Spending billions providing free abortions and providing free healthcare and services to illegals however is beyond excessive. [quote][quote]Yes you can.[/quote]Not when your military spending is 43% of all military spending in the entire world.[/quote]bc both Reps and dems want to police the entire world. It's not bc we have a strong military. Altho I admit we need to cut military spending in certain areas. [quote] [quote]There's a difference between "taken over" and people voluntarily associating themselves with the party bc they like the idea of a BoR, Constitution, and a balanced budget.[/quote]Then they should learn more about all of those. And considering the GOP's approval rating is at 26% and the Tea Party's is 30% I wouldn't say letting these people take over was a good idea. Especially since this was a movement started by regular people. [/quote]Polls mean shit. And besides Obama's approval rating is far inferior to what you mentioned. And a movement started genuinely out of grass roots, is way better than artificial ones imposed by govt and funded by special interests. [quote][quote]TLDR: The important stuff is contradictory. [/quote] Not at all.It is contradictory when they're trying to ban gay marriage and keep them from adopting kids. And yes they are racist. The Voter ID laws make this pretty clear.[/quote] There's nothing racist about having id to vote. I'm surprised that leftist rhetoric is still around. It was reasonable during the 2012 election bc reps were pushing for it a couple months before the election. Honestly, if you think black people are some how incapable of obtaining an id to vote, you're the racist one quite frankly. [quote][quote]They are just cherry-picking the parts of the government they like, mostly to use against minorities, of course.[/quote] Hey look, more msnbc delusional rhetoric. That statement applies more so to the leftists.[/quote][quote]I refer you again to Voter ID laws and the sort of things that the Tea Party has often said about Obama and recommend you Google "racist tea party signs." You'll find a bunch.[/quote]And I refer you to my last paragraph. Hey I recommend you google bigoted liberals/democrats. You'll find a bunch of pictures. Not to mention the democrat party was the party of segregation and racism.

[quote][It isn't excessive considering defining and protecting our borders is important. Spending billions providing free abortions and providing free healthcare and services to illegals however is beyond excessive.[/quote]The current budget is $1.4 billion. A couple more I could understand but $40 billion is beyond excessive. [quote]bc both Reps and dems want to police the entire world. It's not bc we have a strong military. Altho I admit we need to cut military spending in certain areas.[/quote]And Republicans keep refusing to let anyone cut it. [quote]Polls mean shit. And besides Obama's approval rating is far inferior to what you mentioned. And a movement started genuinely out of grass roots, is way better than artificial ones imposed by govt and funded by special interests. [/quote]Actually they do mean something. They're often used to call elections and are often right. They also show public opinion. That was from Gallup and they're very reliable. Obama's approval is actually 43%. Which is higher than either the Republicans or the Tea Party. The Tea Party isn't a grass roots movement run by regular people anymore. It's run by right rich guys*Koch* and uses far right racists to try to get what they want. Thankfully for pretty much all the local elections they tried to rig the candidate they backed ended up losing. [quote]There's nothing racist about having id to vote. I'm surprised that leftist rhetoric is still around. It was reasonable during the 2012 election bc reps were pushing for it a couple months before the election. Honestly, if you think black people are some how incapable of obtaining an id to vote, you're the racist one quite frankly.[/quote]They were passed by Republicans who knew that minorities, the young, and the poor are less likely to have them and one of them even admitted to it. On The Daily Show no less. [url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376]Supposedly it's to stop voter fraud but the only sort of voter fraud it would stop is so rare(less than a dozen cases in the last decade) that it's pointless to pass it.[/url] And the risk of being convicted of voter fraud makes it stupid to even try it. Most of the cases of voter fraud out there are due to screw ups in paper work and not because the person is committing fraud. [url]http://thinkagainmn.org/groups-most-affected/123-minorities-disproportionately-affected-by-photo-id-voting-requirement[/url] [url]http://www.lwv.org/blog/how-voter-id-laws-disproportionately-impact-women-%E2%80%93-and-what-we%E2%80%99re-doing-about-it[/url] [url]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-are-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/[/url] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-voter-id-law-would-exclude-up-to-700000-young-minorities/[/url] [url]http://www.propublica.org/article/everything-youve-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voter-id-laws[/url] You clearly don't know enough about the topic. [quote]And I refer you to my last paragraph. Hey I recommend you google bigoted liberals/democrats. You'll find a bunch of pictures. Not to mention the democrat party was the party of segregation and racism.[/quote]I found five. One of which could be dismissed because he was referring to the racial inequality of the time. Meanwhile I found at least 60 racist Tea Party signs. And the Republicans and Democrats switched demographics. Democrats used to be conservative while Republicans were moderate or liberal. In the end it goes back to the ideology. Since then Republicans have been the racists.

[quote]The current budget is $1.4 billion. A couple more I could understand but $40 billion is beyond excessive.[/quote] Uhm, we currently spend a trillion beyond our budget... Do you know how many times 40 b can fit into 1 t? [quote]And Republicans keep refusing to let anyone cut it.[/quote] Again, there's a difference between military size and using military to police the world. Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to this. I suggest you familiarize yourself with democrat foreign policy, bc you obviously think they're antiwar? [quote]Actually they do mean something. They're often used to call elections and are often right. They also show public opinion. That was from Gallup and they're very reliable. Obama's approval is actually 43%.[/quote]He's 40% amongst liberals, which is terrible. I've seen polls where his rating is 20%. And amongst Republicans less than 10%. I mean, if I link you to a poll that says his rating is 22%, it's legit, bc they're so accurate, right? lol. [quote]The Tea Party isn't a grass roots movement run by regular people anymore.[/quote] yeah it is. [quote] It's run by right rich guys*Koch* and uses far right racists to try to get what they want. Thankfully for pretty much all the local elections they tried to rig the candidate they backed ended up losing.[/quote]Oh great, msnbc tin foil hat theories. Do I need to mention the special interests backing the leftists? Or do you choose to ignore that your party is almost entirely backed by wealthy bankers and corporations? [quote]They were passed by Republicans who knew that minorities, the young, and the poor are less likely to have them and one of them even admitted to it. On The Daily Show no less.[/quote] The daily show? topkek. Hey, comedy central is a source for comedy not information. I'll say this again. If you think black people are unable to obtain an id, you're the ony racist one here. You should check yourself. [quote]You clearly don't know enough about the topic.[/quote]Clearly you don't. Voter fraud is real. [quote]I found five. One of which could be dismissed because he was referring to the racial inequality of the time. Meanwhile I found at least 60 racist Tea Party signs. And the Republicans and Democrats switched demographics. Democrats used to be conservative while Republicans were moderate or liberal. In the end it goes back to the ideology. Since then Republicans have been the racists.[/quote]Really? I found hundreds of pictures proving liberals are racist. bc the few racists in your party represent everyone, that's how it works. No, the democrat party has and still is the party of racism, race-baiting, & big govt. The republican party has always been the party of limited govt and individual liberty. They fought for freedom then, and still do now. The democrats have expanded discriminating against just blacks, they discriminate against everyone with a welfare, warfare, police state.

[quote]Uhm, we currently spend a trillion beyond our budget... Do you know how many times 40 b can fit into 1 t?[/quote]25. So it's still wasteful. It's money that could be better spent helping the poor and trying to get the economy moving but I bet you don't agree with that. [quote] [quote]And Republicans keep refusing to let anyone cut it.[/quote] Again, there's a difference between military size and using military to police the world. Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to this. I suggest you familiarize yourself with democrat foreign policy, bc you obviously think they're antiwar?[/quote]Obviously not. You think I like them. They're the lesser evil so I'm inclined to support them. They're still less warmongering than the Republicans. I wish Republicans would get their sh*t together and criticize the Dems for their actual problems rather than try to make sh*t up. Their drone policies, the NSA sh*t, and poor war management. The problem is many of them can't because most them backed sh*t like this and they look like colossal hypocrites. [quote]He's 40% amongst liberals, which is terrible. I've seen polls where his rating is 20%. And amongst Republicans less than 10%. I mean, if I link you to a poll that says his rating is 22%, it's legit, bc they're so accurate, right? lol.[/quote]If you posted some links to organizations that actually polled people I might believe you. The things I posted can be found on Gallup if you want to see them. [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/166727/obama-job-approval-declined-steadily-throughout-2013.aspx]With a more recent one Obama's approval rating is 41% which is a 2% difference from the original.[/url] [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/166217/tea-party-favorability-falls-lowest-yet.aspx]Tea Party's approval.[/url] [url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx]Republican approval.[/url] [quote]yeah it is.[/quote][url=http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract]Besides the Koch Brothers not wanting the gov shutdown and the Tea Party going against them they helped found the f*cking thing. It might look like one but it's not a grass roots movement.[/url] [quote]Oh great, msnbc tin foil hat theories. Do I need to mention the special interests backing the leftists? Or do you choose to ignore that your party is almost entirely backed by wealthy bankers and corporations?[/quote] [url=http://www.bungie.net]They did. And ironically it was covered by the Daily Show of all programs. Just because they're on a comedy network doesn't mean they can't be good journalists. Ironically they're better than some actual journalist.*cough*Fox News*cough*[/url] And yes I know Dems get money from corporations and bankers. I'm not a dumbass and I'm not a democrat. [quote]The daily show? topkek. Hey, comedy central is a source for comedy not information. I'll say this again. If you think black people are unable to obtain an id, you're the ony racist one here. You should check yourself.[/quote]So you just completely ignored every link I posted showing you wrong? Alright I'll post them again since you clearly don't know much. [url]http://thinkagainmn.org/groups-most-affected/123-minorities-disproportionately-affected-by-photo-id-voting-requirement[/url] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-voter-id-law-would-exclude-up-to-700000-young-minorities/[/url] [url]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/how-voter-id-laws-are-being-used-to-disenfranchise-minorities-and-the-poor/254572/[/url] [quote]Clearly you don't. Voter fraud is real.[/quote] [url=http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120817voter-fraud-rare-united-states.html?sf5632680=1]And so rare that it's pointless to spend the money it.[/url] [quote]Really? I found hundreds of pictures proving liberals are racist. bc the few racists in your party represent everyone, that's how it works.[/quote]There's a difference between institutionalized racism and having a few racists in your party. And please if there are so many please post links proving your statements. [quote]No, the democrat party has and still is the party of racism, race-baiting, & big govt.[/quote]No that's the Republicans. Several articles for you. [url]http://thedailybanter.com/2013/01/yes-the-republican-party-is-racist-and-heres-why/[/url] [url]http://www.thenation.com/article/165576/gops-blatant-racism[/url] [url]http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-03/opinion/ct-perspec-1004-bait-20131003_1_reagan-democrats-northern-strategy-gop[/url] [quote]The republican party has always been the party of limited govt and individual liberty. They fought for freedom then, and still do now.[/quote]If they were they wouldn't be fighting gay rights, abortion, birth control(despite Viagra and even Penis pumps covered by insurance[I wish I was f*cking kidding]), and trying to keep passing strict voter ID laws. They're not fighting for limited government. They're fighting for their own version of a big government. [quote]The democrats have expanded discriminating against just blacks,[/quote]Except for the fact that they don't. [quote]they discriminate against everyone with a welfare, warfare, police state.[/quote]How is helping people through welfare discrimination? And the way our gov is is because a lot of the things that happened under Bush. Repubs started the NSA program and the torturing at Gitmo, I hate Obama for continuing both of those, but Obama has been more diplomatic and somewhat more responsible. We're pulling out of Afghanistan, we've already pulled out of Iraq, and didn't start a war in Syria(which let's face it is what the Republicans would've done). I dislike his loose drone policy though. [quote]You should check yourself.[/quote]

[quote] The republican party has always been the party of limited govt and individual liberty.[/quote] Ha.